normiss 894 #51 August 31, 2010 Now THERE'S a reliable source. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #52 August 31, 2010 Quote Now THERE'S a reliable source. Where there is snifling ........ just sayin There are literally hundreds of sources, some of the stories got squashed... nice big payoffs work that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #53 August 31, 2010 Quote>And I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out >and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account >when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Actually the local populace welcomes it: ==== Manhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. ========= Sounds like the true Muslims are listening to the true locals and not the "hate and fear" crowd. Your poll in July: Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority of New York City voters are opposed to Cordoba House's plan to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero. The poll of 1,183 registered city voters showed 52 percent in opposition, 31 percent in favor, and 17 percent undecided. August poll numbers: Poll: New Yorkers oppose mosque, recognize constitutionality New York voters oppose by a nearly 2-to-1 margin plans to build an Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero in Manhattan, according to a new Siena Research Institute poll released Wednesday. The same voters, however, overwhelmingly say the center's developers have a constitutional right to build it. When asked if they "support or oppose the proposal to build the Cordoba House," New Yorkers said they oppose the facility, which is expected to cost $100 million, by a 63-27 percent margin. At the same time, by a 64-to-28 percent margin, New Yorkers say Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has the constitutional right to build it Based on the poll results, seems like the people spreading 'hate and fear' are YOUR side.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 894 #54 August 31, 2010 I have thought him an equal opposite of Rush Limbaugh. I trust neither. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 August 31, 2010 Quote Quote Now THERE'S a reliable source. Where there is snifling ........ just sayin There are literally hundreds of sources, some of the stories got squashed... nice big payoffs work that way. Just like the ones that they needed to pay out for the Trade Center cover up - Just ask Rhys . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #56 August 31, 2010 They seem to have left out the Sexual Assault Charges from this list. They did a story on NY1 last night about this. It didnt get specific, but he had at least one sexual assault charge as well. I just want to know how the guy went from a waiter to a big time developer in less then 5 years. Seems kinda strange to me.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #57 August 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteThen you're going to provide the proof that he was indeed a cocaine addict? Because even the rumors couldn't substantiate it. Why would an officer in the Texas National Guard who has been given the responsibility to fly jet fighters for his country, not show up for a flight physical that would have required a urine sample AKA the Golden Flow that was given to people on flight status at that time??? That doesn't substantiate a claim that he was a full blown cockhead. Someone who did a line or smoked a joint over the weekend would have the same motivation to ditch it. My understanding is that coke doesn't persist long in the body, so testing wouldn't differentiate between the types of users. Given how addictive coke is, and the ability to get it that his wealth would allow, it seems improbable that he was an addict to the level Darius claims. He managed to be governor and President for some number of years without getting impeached, for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #58 August 31, 2010 QuoteTry this. Go to New York City. Smoke a joint in front of a police officer. I dare you. Bad argument Bill. That happens a lot. They have bigger things to worry about then that. Like looking out for Muslims trying to blow up subways and Times Square.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #59 August 31, 2010 QuoteManhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. =========Quote I live in Manhattan, no one asked me to take the poll. Even if it is right. 46% is less then 54% so the MAJORITY of people think it should be moved.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #60 August 31, 2010 WOW! Just walked in afeter a night out and read this thread...Fresh BUNS anyone?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #61 August 31, 2010 >Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #62 August 31, 2010 Quote>Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! So, given that logic, you'll be starting a petition to over the DOJ case against Arizona, what with the Arizona citizens being overwhelmingly in support of it and DC being so far away.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #63 August 31, 2010 >So, given that logic, you'll be starting a petition to over the DOJ case >against Arizona, what with the Arizona citizens being overwhelmingly in >support of it and DC being so far away. If Arizona's law does not violate any Federal laws, sure - let them do whatever they like. It's their state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #64 August 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteManhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. =========Quote I live in Manhattan, no one asked me to take the poll. Even if it is right. 46% is less then 54% so the MAJORITY of people think it should be moved. Uh, it says in clear English that only 36% oppose the proposal. In every numbering system on earth (we use the Arabic one!), 46 > 36. If you remove those without an opinion, the ratio becomes: 56% for, 44% against. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,595 #65 September 1, 2010 QuoteAnd I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Oh, wait - the New Yorkers aren't actually saying that, You're right, a lot of them (New Yorkers and nationwide commentators) aren't saying that. They're saying it's going to be a terrorist training centre, they're saying the Imam in charge is a radical Jihadist and, oh look, in this very thread they're saying that the property developer is a criminal, and therefore probably secretly a terrorist. It doesn't sound like these people 'don't mind' if they build it somewhere else.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #66 September 1, 2010 >>Try this. Go to New York City. Smoke a joint in front of a police >>officer. I dare you. >Bad argument Bill. That happens a lot. They have bigger things to >worry about then that. ================== New York City's Massive Marijuana Arrests Gabriel Sayegh Posted: August 26, 2009 11:23 AM New York City remains the marijuana arrest capital of the world, according to an upcoming report by Queens College Professor Harry Levine. In 1993, there were only 900 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana, while 40,000 people were arrested in 2008--mostly young Black and Latino men. Dr. Levine calls this a "marijuana arrest crusade." Dr. Levine's new research builds on a report he co-authored last year, and shows that beginning in the early 1990s, under then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the New York City Police Department dramatically increased arrests for possession of marijuana. Those arrests have continued--and in fact increased--under Mayor Michael Bloomberg, even though New York decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana decades ago. . . . . In this way, the NYPD has arrested tens of thousands of New Yorkers every year for possessing small amounts of marijuana. These arrests are expensive, costing nearly $90 million a year. And there are other costs: an arrest record can result in severe collateral consequences, like loss of employment, or the chance at a college scholarship. Spending the night in one of the City's overcrowded holding pens or in Riker's can itself be traumatic. ===================== Sounds like you actually might be better off smoking pot in Saudi Arabia. >Like looking out for Muslims trying to blow up subways and Times Square. Well, let's see. 40,000 people were arrested in NYC in 2008 for marijuana possession. How many Muslims were arrested for trying to blow up subways and Times Square in 2008? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,595 #67 September 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteManhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. ========= I live in Manhattan, no one asked me to take the poll. Even if it is right. 46% is less then 54% so the MAJORITY of people think it should be moved. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Do you know what "undecided" means, hmm? And you do know how opinion polls work, right? You realise that they don't claim to have asked every single person in Manhattan?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #68 September 1, 2010 Quote >Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! Do you think we can convice the right wingers... that the Muslim COMMUNITY CENTER... not a mosque can be like human sheilds against future attacks?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyPiggie 0 #69 September 1, 2010 Quote...the Muslim community center... can be like human sheilds against future attacks?? The fact that there were muslims in the World Trade Center towers doesn't seem to have deterred the 9-11 attackers, and they killed several dozen. The extremists that carry out those kinds of attacks tend to also want to kill any of their own kind that sympathize or work with Americans, or else they consider such collateral losses as justifiable, as witnessed by weekly events in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,484 #70 September 1, 2010 Quote He does not equate a community center to be something like a YMCA that might have a chapel in it. Just for the sake of clarity; all Mosques are places of worship first and community/charitable/educational/social centers second. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1209357757851&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah%2FLSELayout Not unlike Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran or any other denomination. However, in this situation and given the emotion surrounding the proximity of the US being attacked, IMO, the Islamic religious leaders should step away to no less than to honor those who are still grieving. Not that unlike the Catholic church removing the convent from Auschwitz in silent respect.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #71 September 1, 2010 QuoteAnd I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Oh, wait - the New Yorkers aren't actually saying that, they're saying "We're white conservative guys against brown Muslim guys", aren't they? Damn, I'm glad you reminded me of that upthread - I almost forgot!! Aren't the people building, attending and supporting this centre part of the local population? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #72 September 1, 2010 >Aren't the people building, attending and supporting this centre part of the >local population? Of course not! They are Muslims, and thus are evil outsiders bent on desecration of a holy area. Heck, they want to build a big, shiny mosque right on top of the bodies of the 9/11 victims, then have a victory party. Didn't you see Bill O'Reilly on the TV? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #73 September 1, 2010 Given all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #74 September 1, 2010 >I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building >something on the site where MLK was killed too The KKK's not a religion. But if a Baptist parish wanted to renovate its church two and a half blocks from where MLK was killed, and there were a lot of KKK members in the church, then yes, the situation would be similar - and they should have the same right to renovate their church as this group has to renovate the building on Park Street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites okalb 104 #75 September 1, 2010 QuoteGiven all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too So you think it is ok to lump the KKK and Muslims into the same category? A better analogy would be to say that we would have a problem with Al Queda building a building at ground zero. It was Al Queda not all Muslims that flew the planes into the WTC was it not? If you wanted a fair comparison you could say that we would have a problem with a church being built where MLK was shot but that wouldn't fit into your lie because you know nobody would have a problem with it. There is about as much connection between Al Queda and the general Muslim population as there is between the KKK and Christians.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 17 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Skyrad 0 #60 August 31, 2010 WOW! Just walked in afeter a night out and read this thread...Fresh BUNS anyone?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #61 August 31, 2010 >Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 August 31, 2010 Quote>Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! So, given that logic, you'll be starting a petition to over the DOJ case against Arizona, what with the Arizona citizens being overwhelmingly in support of it and DC being so far away.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #63 August 31, 2010 >So, given that logic, you'll be starting a petition to over the DOJ case >against Arizona, what with the Arizona citizens being overwhelmingly in >support of it and DC being so far away. If Arizona's law does not violate any Federal laws, sure - let them do whatever they like. It's their state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #64 August 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteManhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. =========Quote I live in Manhattan, no one asked me to take the poll. Even if it is right. 46% is less then 54% so the MAJORITY of people think it should be moved. Uh, it says in clear English that only 36% oppose the proposal. In every numbering system on earth (we use the Arabic one!), 46 > 36. If you remove those without an opinion, the ratio becomes: 56% for, 44% against. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,595 #65 September 1, 2010 QuoteAnd I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Oh, wait - the New Yorkers aren't actually saying that, You're right, a lot of them (New Yorkers and nationwide commentators) aren't saying that. They're saying it's going to be a terrorist training centre, they're saying the Imam in charge is a radical Jihadist and, oh look, in this very thread they're saying that the property developer is a criminal, and therefore probably secretly a terrorist. It doesn't sound like these people 'don't mind' if they build it somewhere else.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #66 September 1, 2010 >>Try this. Go to New York City. Smoke a joint in front of a police >>officer. I dare you. >Bad argument Bill. That happens a lot. They have bigger things to >worry about then that. ================== New York City's Massive Marijuana Arrests Gabriel Sayegh Posted: August 26, 2009 11:23 AM New York City remains the marijuana arrest capital of the world, according to an upcoming report by Queens College Professor Harry Levine. In 1993, there were only 900 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana, while 40,000 people were arrested in 2008--mostly young Black and Latino men. Dr. Levine calls this a "marijuana arrest crusade." Dr. Levine's new research builds on a report he co-authored last year, and shows that beginning in the early 1990s, under then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the New York City Police Department dramatically increased arrests for possession of marijuana. Those arrests have continued--and in fact increased--under Mayor Michael Bloomberg, even though New York decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana decades ago. . . . . In this way, the NYPD has arrested tens of thousands of New Yorkers every year for possessing small amounts of marijuana. These arrests are expensive, costing nearly $90 million a year. And there are other costs: an arrest record can result in severe collateral consequences, like loss of employment, or the chance at a college scholarship. Spending the night in one of the City's overcrowded holding pens or in Riker's can itself be traumatic. ===================== Sounds like you actually might be better off smoking pot in Saudi Arabia. >Like looking out for Muslims trying to blow up subways and Times Square. Well, let's see. 40,000 people were arrested in NYC in 2008 for marijuana possession. How many Muslims were arrested for trying to blow up subways and Times Square in 2008? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,595 #67 September 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteManhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. ========= I live in Manhattan, no one asked me to take the poll. Even if it is right. 46% is less then 54% so the MAJORITY of people think it should be moved. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Do you know what "undecided" means, hmm? And you do know how opinion polls work, right? You realise that they don't claim to have asked every single person in Manhattan?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #68 September 1, 2010 Quote >Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! Do you think we can convice the right wingers... that the Muslim COMMUNITY CENTER... not a mosque can be like human sheilds against future attacks?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyPiggie 0 #69 September 1, 2010 Quote...the Muslim community center... can be like human sheilds against future attacks?? The fact that there were muslims in the World Trade Center towers doesn't seem to have deterred the 9-11 attackers, and they killed several dozen. The extremists that carry out those kinds of attacks tend to also want to kill any of their own kind that sympathize or work with Americans, or else they consider such collateral losses as justifiable, as witnessed by weekly events in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,484 #70 September 1, 2010 Quote He does not equate a community center to be something like a YMCA that might have a chapel in it. Just for the sake of clarity; all Mosques are places of worship first and community/charitable/educational/social centers second. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1209357757851&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah%2FLSELayout Not unlike Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran or any other denomination. However, in this situation and given the emotion surrounding the proximity of the US being attacked, IMO, the Islamic religious leaders should step away to no less than to honor those who are still grieving. Not that unlike the Catholic church removing the convent from Auschwitz in silent respect.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #71 September 1, 2010 QuoteAnd I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Oh, wait - the New Yorkers aren't actually saying that, they're saying "We're white conservative guys against brown Muslim guys", aren't they? Damn, I'm glad you reminded me of that upthread - I almost forgot!! Aren't the people building, attending and supporting this centre part of the local population? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #72 September 1, 2010 >Aren't the people building, attending and supporting this centre part of the >local population? Of course not! They are Muslims, and thus are evil outsiders bent on desecration of a holy area. Heck, they want to build a big, shiny mosque right on top of the bodies of the 9/11 victims, then have a victory party. Didn't you see Bill O'Reilly on the TV? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #73 September 1, 2010 Given all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #74 September 1, 2010 >I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building >something on the site where MLK was killed too The KKK's not a religion. But if a Baptist parish wanted to renovate its church two and a half blocks from where MLK was killed, and there were a lot of KKK members in the church, then yes, the situation would be similar - and they should have the same right to renovate their church as this group has to renovate the building on Park Street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites okalb 104 #75 September 1, 2010 QuoteGiven all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too So you think it is ok to lump the KKK and Muslims into the same category? A better analogy would be to say that we would have a problem with Al Queda building a building at ground zero. It was Al Queda not all Muslims that flew the planes into the WTC was it not? If you wanted a fair comparison you could say that we would have a problem with a church being built where MLK was shot but that wouldn't fit into your lie because you know nobody would have a problem with it. There is about as much connection between Al Queda and the general Muslim population as there is between the KKK and Christians.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 17 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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jakee 1,595 #65 September 1, 2010 QuoteAnd I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Oh, wait - the New Yorkers aren't actually saying that, You're right, a lot of them (New Yorkers and nationwide commentators) aren't saying that. They're saying it's going to be a terrorist training centre, they're saying the Imam in charge is a radical Jihadist and, oh look, in this very thread they're saying that the property developer is a criminal, and therefore probably secretly a terrorist. It doesn't sound like these people 'don't mind' if they build it somewhere else.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #66 September 1, 2010 >>Try this. Go to New York City. Smoke a joint in front of a police >>officer. I dare you. >Bad argument Bill. That happens a lot. They have bigger things to >worry about then that. ================== New York City's Massive Marijuana Arrests Gabriel Sayegh Posted: August 26, 2009 11:23 AM New York City remains the marijuana arrest capital of the world, according to an upcoming report by Queens College Professor Harry Levine. In 1993, there were only 900 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana, while 40,000 people were arrested in 2008--mostly young Black and Latino men. Dr. Levine calls this a "marijuana arrest crusade." Dr. Levine's new research builds on a report he co-authored last year, and shows that beginning in the early 1990s, under then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the New York City Police Department dramatically increased arrests for possession of marijuana. Those arrests have continued--and in fact increased--under Mayor Michael Bloomberg, even though New York decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana decades ago. . . . . In this way, the NYPD has arrested tens of thousands of New Yorkers every year for possessing small amounts of marijuana. These arrests are expensive, costing nearly $90 million a year. And there are other costs: an arrest record can result in severe collateral consequences, like loss of employment, or the chance at a college scholarship. Spending the night in one of the City's overcrowded holding pens or in Riker's can itself be traumatic. ===================== Sounds like you actually might be better off smoking pot in Saudi Arabia. >Like looking out for Muslims trying to blow up subways and Times Square. Well, let's see. 40,000 people were arrested in NYC in 2008 for marijuana possession. How many Muslims were arrested for trying to blow up subways and Times Square in 2008? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #67 September 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteManhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds July 1, 2010 By Julie Shapiro DNAinfo Reporter/Producer LOWER MANHATTAN — Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found. The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided. ========= I live in Manhattan, no one asked me to take the poll. Even if it is right. 46% is less then 54% so the MAJORITY of people think it should be moved. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Do you know what "undecided" means, hmm? And you do know how opinion polls work, right? You realise that they don't claim to have asked every single person in Manhattan?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #68 September 1, 2010 Quote >Quinnipiac University released a poll this morning showing that the majority >of New York City voters . . . Manhattan is not New York City. Manhattan, where both the mosque and the WTC site is located, is a separate island. If you don't live there, you have to go over a bridge before you can even begin to be offended by Muslims. All the people who live and work within a mile of the proposed mosque live in Manhattan, not Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx. Next! Do you think we can convice the right wingers... that the Muslim COMMUNITY CENTER... not a mosque can be like human sheilds against future attacks?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #69 September 1, 2010 Quote...the Muslim community center... can be like human sheilds against future attacks?? The fact that there were muslims in the World Trade Center towers doesn't seem to have deterred the 9-11 attackers, and they killed several dozen. The extremists that carry out those kinds of attacks tend to also want to kill any of their own kind that sympathize or work with Americans, or else they consider such collateral losses as justifiable, as witnessed by weekly events in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,484 #70 September 1, 2010 Quote He does not equate a community center to be something like a YMCA that might have a chapel in it. Just for the sake of clarity; all Mosques are places of worship first and community/charitable/educational/social centers second. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1209357757851&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah%2FLSELayout Not unlike Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran or any other denomination. However, in this situation and given the emotion surrounding the proximity of the US being attacked, IMO, the Islamic religious leaders should step away to no less than to honor those who are still grieving. Not that unlike the Catholic church removing the convent from Auschwitz in silent respect.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #71 September 1, 2010 QuoteAnd I would hope that a true Muslim that was attempting to reach out and build bridges would take the feelings of the local populace into account when they say "We don't mind if you build it, just not at THAT location". Oh, wait - the New Yorkers aren't actually saying that, they're saying "We're white conservative guys against brown Muslim guys", aren't they? Damn, I'm glad you reminded me of that upthread - I almost forgot!! Aren't the people building, attending and supporting this centre part of the local population? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #72 September 1, 2010 >Aren't the people building, attending and supporting this centre part of the >local population? Of course not! They are Muslims, and thus are evil outsiders bent on desecration of a holy area. Heck, they want to build a big, shiny mosque right on top of the bodies of the 9/11 victims, then have a victory party. Didn't you see Bill O'Reilly on the TV? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #73 September 1, 2010 Given all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #74 September 1, 2010 >I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building >something on the site where MLK was killed too The KKK's not a religion. But if a Baptist parish wanted to renovate its church two and a half blocks from where MLK was killed, and there were a lot of KKK members in the church, then yes, the situation would be similar - and they should have the same right to renovate their church as this group has to renovate the building on Park Street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #75 September 1, 2010 QuoteGiven all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too So you think it is ok to lump the KKK and Muslims into the same category? A better analogy would be to say that we would have a problem with Al Queda building a building at ground zero. It was Al Queda not all Muslims that flew the planes into the WTC was it not? If you wanted a fair comparison you could say that we would have a problem with a church being built where MLK was shot but that wouldn't fit into your lie because you know nobody would have a problem with it. There is about as much connection between Al Queda and the general Muslim population as there is between the KKK and Christians.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
