Who Is The Man Behind The Ground Zero Mosque?

[billvon 3,112]

>Reading is fundamental

Yep. And a bit of reading on your part might have prevented your latest error.

[normiss 893]

A mosque is a place of worship for followers of Islam (Arabic: masjid مسجد‎ — Arabic pronunciation: [ˈmæsdʒɪd], pl. masājid, Arabic: مساجد‎ — [mæˈsæːdʒɪd][1]), which literally means a place of prostration. The word "mosque" in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, masjids dedicated for daily five prayers and the larger masajid where the daily five prayers and the Friday congregation sermons are held (مسجد جامع, masjid jāmi‘), which is attended by more people and play more roles such as teaching Qur'an.

The mosque serves as a place where Muslims can come together for salat (prayer) (Arabic: صلاة‎, ṣalāt) as well as a center for information, education, and dispute settlement. The Imam leads the prayer.

[mnealtx 0]

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The existing building at 45-47 Park Place in New York City's Lower Manhattan district is the building causing all the commotion these days. It is located a few blocks from Ground Zero and dates back to the late 1850s. A Muslim outreach group the Cordoba Initiative, has been using it for Friday prayers since late last year. The space has been open Monday through Friday between noon and 10 p.m., according to a source familiar with the project.

Still not sorry.

It has served as their mosque.

So? Still doesn't make it one.

Mike
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[turtlespeed 226]

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Several posters have referred to the entire 36 or so block area as a "memorial" and that a mosque would be out of place in a memorial. Why is a topless bar OK in a memorial but a mosque isn't?

That is not the question you asked, but I'll answer this one too -

It is because there were no Topless dancers hijacking the planes that killed thousands of people - there were, however, muslims that did so.

You didn't have the capability to discern that from the previous two posts?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[normiss 893]

Since many have repeatedly chosen to re-define to their preference other words for this discussion, yours for "mosque" is of no surprise.

[mnealtx 0]

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>Reading is fundamental

Yep. And a bit of reading on your part might have prevented your latest error.

What's that - the non-existent mosque? Sure thing, Bill.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[jakee 1,594]

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The existing building at 45-47 Park Place in New York City's Lower Manhattan district is the building causing all the commotion these days. It is located a few blocks from Ground Zero and dates back to the late 1850s. A Muslim outreach group the Cordoba Initiative, has been using it for Friday prayers since late last year. The space has been open Monday through Friday between noon and 10 p.m., according to a source familiar with the project.

Still not sorry.

It has served as their mosque.

So? Still doesn't make it one.

What level of interior/exterior renovation is the mosque threshold placed at? Are we basically ok until they put a minaret on top?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,112]

>What's that - the non-existent mosque?

No, your claim that it was an apartment building and not a mosque. That was an error. (I know you can't admit to errors; just thought I'd point it out.)

[mnealtx 0]

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A mosque is a place of worship for followers of Islam (Arabic: masjid مسجد‎ — Arabic pronunciation: [ˈmæsdʒɪd], pl. masājid, Arabic: مساجد‎ — [mæˈsæːdʒɪd][1]), which literally means a place of prostration. The word "mosque" in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, masjids dedicated for daily five prayers and the larger masajid where the daily five prayers and the Friday congregation sermons are held (مسجد جامع, masjid jāmi‘), which is attended by more people and play more roles such as teaching Qur'an.

The mosque serves as a place where Muslims can come together for salat (prayer) (Arabic: صلاة‎, ṣalāt) as well as a center for information, education, and dispute settlement. The Imam leads the prayer.

Good for them - what's the law say about it?

Mike
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[normiss 893]

The law has to officially approve of the definition of "mosque"???

Apparently local law has no issues with it.

Your turn to twist again.

[mnealtx 0]

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The law has to officially approve of the definition of "mosque"???

Apparently local law has no issues with it.

Your turn to twist again.

No - the law has to agree that the location was an established church. Ask the Indians and Rastas about that.

Twist away.

Mike
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[normiss 893]

Given that it has been in use as an operating mosque for the past year....?
Sounds established to me.
The owner of the property was and is good with it.
It doesn't violate any zoning laws. (I almost chuckle at that one...)
Parry.

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would SOMEONE please quote reply 366 ?

AND 373 ?

[mnealtx 0]

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Given that it has been in use as an operating mosque for the past year....?
Sounds established to me.

The Indians and Rastas thought so too, I'm sure. But by all means, continue to deliberately miss the point.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[normiss 893]

There is no point to miss, that's part of the issue here.

The mosque project is fully legal and should be a non issue as well.

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Given that it has been in use as an operating mosque for the past year....?
Sounds established to me.
The owner of the property was and is good with it.
It doesn't violate any zoning laws. (I almost chuckle at that one...)
Parry.

please indulge me as i try to follow liberal logic . any meeting place for religious purposes then becomes an established building of worship ? a bunch of those religion of peacers met frequently at strip clubs !

[normiss 893]

You're missing the difference between a place of worship and a place to meet.

[mnealtx 0]

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You're missing the difference between a place of worship and a place to meet.

That reminded me - if a masjid mosque is where they do daily prayers, and a masajid mosque is where they do daily prayers and the Friday sermon, what type of mosque is where they just do the Friday sermon? I can't seem to find that one in your definition.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[skipbelt 0]

the religion of peacers met at strip clubs to plan and conspire the 9/11 attacks. this was ordered by their spiritual leader to advance their religion. they were there to worship no doubt , now i would appreciate some moonwalking !

[billvon 3,112]

>the religion of peacers met at strip clubs to plan and conspire the 9/11 attacks.

I'll give you a few minutes to remove your foot from your mouth while you read these:

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In late February 2001, hijacker Ziad Jarrah frequents a strip club in Jacksonville, Florida (see February 25-March 4, 2001).

On September 10, three hijacker associates spend $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks in the Pink Pony, a Daytona Beach, Florida strip club. While the hijackers had left Florida by this time, Mohamed Atta is reported to have visited the same strip club, and these men appear to have had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks (see September 10, 2001). [Boston Herald, 10/10/2001]

Atta and Alshehhi are seen at Sunrise 251, a bar in Palm Beach, Florida. They spend $1,000 in 45 minutes on Krug and Perrier-Jouet champagne. Atta is with a tall busty brunette in her late twenties; Alshehhi is with a shortish blonde. Both women are known locally as regular companions of high-rollers. [Daily Mail, 9/16/2001]

A stripper at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret in Las Vegas, Nevada, later recalls Marwan Alshehhi being “cheap,” paying only $20 for a lap dance. [Cox News Service, 10/16/2001]

Several hijackers reportedly patronize the Nardone’s Go-Go Bar in Elizabeth, New Jersey. They are even seen there on the weekend before 9/11. [Boston Herald, 10/10/2001; Wall Street Journal, 10/16/2001]

Majed Moqed visits a porn shop on three occasions and rents a porn video. The mayor of Paterson, New Jersey, later says of the six hijackers who stayed there, “Nobody ever saw them at mosques, but they liked the go-go clubs.” [Newsday, 9/23/2001; Newsweek, 10/15/2001]

Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar often frequent Cheetah’s, a nude bar in San Diego. [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/2002]

Marwan Alshehhi is possibly seen in the Cheetah nightclub in Pompado Beach, Florida, on July 1, 2001. Six dancers who work there later claim to have seen him. [Federal Bureau of Investigation, 10/2001, pp. 173 pdf file]
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[billvon 3,112]

>It is because there were no Topless dancers hijacking the planes that
>killed thousands of people.

And like I said, no members of this mosque (topless or otherwise) hijacked those airplanes. Indeed, no hijacker ever even attended services at this location.

However, the hijackers did indeed frequent topless bars. See above.

Next!

[mnealtx 0]

Your account certainly looks like the 9/11 attackers went to strip clubs. While it can't be confirmed or denied that they did any planning while there, it certainly doesn't seem to support your 'foot in mouth' statement.

Of course, anyone around military bases that do the flight training for predominantly Muslim countries will tell you that it's not uncommon to see a lot of them in the local strip clubs.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[skipbelt 0]

you have my gratitude for proving my point , you do know how to moonwalk , don't you ?

[normiss 893]

Hmm, not sure.
I meet skydivers at bars and restaurants and coffee houses.
I would define none of them as drop zones.

But yet at a dropzone, much like a mosque OR a church, we have different rooms for different purposes.
Some we call bathrooms, some we call class rooms, some we call gear rooms. I would even bet there's a bit of prayer in any and possibly all of said rooms.

What was your point this time?

[billvon 3,112]

Ah, I see you haven't yet extracted your foot from your mouth. Another few minutes perhaps.