Who Is The Man Behind The Ground Zero Mosque?

[normiss 895]

"Building a mosque is legal, but it's not good public relations to do it at ground zero. "

Then we should be thankful they're not trying to do that.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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since those are highly regulated, and few have them. That in itself would bring scrutiny and possible arrests.

Second, I don't believe New York law would allow it, even if they were only semi-auto rifles.

However, your posting history makes it clear you would support New Yorkers in their quest to legalize automatic weapons and open carry.

Was wondering if you would be just as verbally supportive in this case.

[Skyrad 0]

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Building a mosque is legal, but it's not good public relations to do it at ground zero.

Just as well they're not then isn't it.

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[JohnRich 4]

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However, your posting history makes it clear you would support New Yorkers in their quest to legalize automatic weapons and open carry.

Please show me where I have advocated for the open carry of machine guns. You can't.

Automatic weapons are legal under federal law, if you're willing to jump through the hoops to own one; pay the tax, be registered, etc., and can afford one at their ungoshly prices. And I'm okay with that.

I actually think concealed carry is preferable to open carry. It doesn't scare the general public, and it has a benefit of making the criminals question the safety of attacking everyone, rather than just those who they can plainly see might fight back with deadly force. Thus, the crime deterrence benefit is more widespread - even to the people who don't like guns.

And the citizens of New York City should have the same right to carry concealed handguns as the citizens of 48 states which allow it.

But nowhere have I advocated for the open carry of machine guns by the general public.

And you're also causing thread drift by going in the "gun" direction, when this topic has nothing to do with guns.

So once again, you're just making things up. And if you have to make things up in order to try and score debate points against me, then you've already lost. So it would have been better for you just to remain silent.

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Normiss: Then we should be thankful they're not trying to do that.
Skyrad: Just as well they're not then isn't it.

Obviously, it's close enough to have a whole bunch of people upset. Therefore, the nuance of how close is "close", is irrelevant. It's already there.

[turtlespeed 226]

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However, your posting history makes it clear you would support New Yorkers in their quest to legalize automatic weapons and open carry.

Please show me where I have advocated for the open carry of machine guns.

You can't.

So once again, you're just making things up. And if you have to make things up in order to try and score debate points against me, then you've already lost. So it would have been better for you just to remain silent.

That is his case most of the time.

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[normiss 895]

Until the media got wind of it and blew it out of proportion, it was totally a non-event.
As it should be still.
Blame it all on Fox news and the New York Post.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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But nowhere have I advocated for the open carry of machine guns by the general public.

So, do you think there should be a law against open carry of machine guns? Why machine guns, but not other guns? Are machine guns more dangerous?

[rushmc 23]

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Until the media got wind of it and blew it out of proportion, it was totally a non-event.
As it should be still.
Blame it all on Fox news and the New York Post.

Blame it on Obama for opening his mouth about it

Was not much of a news items till he yapped.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

Odd that Fox news and the New York Post had it as a story 3 months before Obama mentioned it.
It was a rather big deal before he got involved.
To those fear mongering types any way.

[rushmc 23]

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Odd that Fox news and the New York Post had it as a story 3 months before Obama mentioned it.
It was a rather big deal before he got involved.
To those fear mongering types any way.

When it was reported first and when it became a big deal are different
But I see your point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

It first made news on Fox news in December '09 - also when it was first called "Ground Zero Mosque as well.
Obama's first comments were in August.
Personally I would blame Pam Geller and the New York post for igniting the issue in May.

[rushmc 23]

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It first made news on Fox news in December '09 - also when it was first called "Ground Zero Mosque as well.
Obama's first comments were in August.
Personally I would blame Pam Geller and the New York post for igniting the issue in May.

I never heard about it until the news outlets made reference to Obama commenting on it
But that is just me I suppose

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

I know I expend efforts to be informed on a daily basis and then when I am made aware, I approach every story with doubt so if it piques my interest, I investigate further on my own.
I was very aware of semi-public outcry over this mosque before Obama made his comments, shied away from them, then commented again.

[rushmc 23]

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I know I expend efforts to be informed on a daily basis and then when I am made aware, I approach every story with doubt so if it piques my interest, I investigate further on my own.
I was very aware of semi-public outcry over this mosque before Obama made his comments, shied away from them, then commented again.

I remember hearing about it but that is about it. Until it hit the fan a short time ago I payed little attention to it.

I still do not give it much time as I feel it is a local issue even though it is close to ground zero

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

These guys started it. Continue to perpetuate it.
SIOA

[rushmc 23]

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These guys started it. Continue to perpetuate it.
SIOA

Who even spends time looking for websites like these????

I seriously question the motives behind this whole mess however

First, they have been offered land a few blocks away yet they turned it down. Why? It has better parking, access and is still close

Why do they want it on this specific site?

If it is really to be a place to be inclusive why start out with so many people pissed ?

Too much does not make sense to me. It does not yet pass the sniff test

But again
this is just me.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

They've been using this site for some time now without complaint.
The local review board "sniff test" is the only legal requirement. It meets the zoning requirements.

There is and has been an existing mosque equally as far from Ground Zero since 1970.

Remind me what the issue is again????

[rushmc 23]

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They've been using this site for some time now without complaint.
The local review board "sniff test" is the only legal requirement. It meets the zoning requirements.

There is and has been an existing mosque equally as far from Ground Zero since 1970.

Remind me what the issue is again????

I didnt say it should be stopped now did I!

To many questions that really remain unanswered.

There is a reaso for this one place
What is it? Really?

I am just curious why they will not answer this question

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

ummm...because it had an affordable rent when they went looking for a place YEARS ago???

What other questions besides zoning should there be?

Why did you decide to live where you do now?
Did you ask the country if it was ok?
I don't remember saying you could.
I'm gonna need some answers.

[rushmc 23]

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ummm...because it had an affordable rent when they went looking for a place YEARS ago???

What other questions besides zoning should there be?

Why did you decide to live where you do now?
Did you ask the country if it was ok?
I don't remember saying you could.
I'm gonna need some answers.

Well, I am looking right now and I can and would give you all the answers as it is not really an issue to me that you would know these things

And I never said the answers to the questions I have are a requirment

But in the swirl of this issue if an answer could calm down some of the uproar, wouldnt you do it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

Not necessarily. There is nothing requiring them to.
Why do we chose to hold them to a different standard that the tittie bars down the street?
Selectively requiring one place to have a different standard or authorization of a location is unconstitutional.

[rushmc 23]

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Not necessarily. There is nothing requiring them to.
Why do we chose to hold them to a different standard that the tittie bars down the street?In some cases we dont. I have seen them run out of town many times
Selectively requiring one place to have a different standard or authorization of a location is unconstitutional.

Agreed, but that is not what I am talking about here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 895]

I can understand how some communities feel they have moral issues with topless bars in their communities.
I can't extend that understanding to religious persecution in others.

This is a very simple issue to sort out.
The local zoning board approved it.

[rushmc 23]

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I can understand how some communities feel they have moral issues with topless bars in their communities.
I can't extend that understanding to religious persecution in others.

This is a very simple issue to sort out.
The local zoning board approved it.

I do not see this as religious persecution
I do not see this as religious issue at all.

And yes, it is simple and they should not legally be stopped but

I still have my questions
Questions they refuse to answer
Why?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

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I still have my questions
Questions they refuse to answer
Why?

Because you haven't asked them?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?