Who Is The Man Behind The Ground Zero Mosque?

[normiss 917]

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Given all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too

[rushmc 23]

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You've been burned pretty badly on this one. I suspect you saw the segment on FOX where Pamela Geller, a right-wing blogger, proposed what you did (i.e. comparing a KKK shrine to a mosque) then reposted it without thinking about it too much.

Nope, havent seen any news on tv for weeks
So yet another liberal assumption fail

I would not agree with that comparison anyway as that was not my point

I dont read any blogs either unless there is a link to them from some where

So burned? Na

I feel pretty good about this one

You had to take it off topic like normal so I know I am doing ok

Who the hell is Pamela Geller?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Given all I have read about this here, I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building something on the site where MLK was killed too

See!

I knew you couldnt

You make the same stupid assumptions as jakee.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[okalb 104]

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Case in point
I have never went after Muslim any where or on this site

So, someone had a view (that you think you know) that you do not agree with you call them a bigot

And I went after you???

Since you still have not answered the very simple question in my original post you leave us no choice but to think that. Instead of just answering the question, you chose to play silly games. You made a statement. I wanted to make sure I understand your position so I asked a question. You refused to answer the question. Play all the games you want but the fact of the matter is you won't answer it. Let's stop playing games. I will ask you a few very straight forward questions. Answer them without bullshit word games if you dare. I know you won't because that would actually force you to state your position for a change which would not leave you the wiggle room you need to flip flop later.

1) Do you oppose the building of the proposed community center/mosque

2) Do you feel that all of Islam should be held responsible for what occurred on 9/11

I could ask others, but lets start there.

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[rushmc 23]

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Case in point
I have never went after Muslim any where or on this site

So, someone had a view (that you think you know) that you do not agree with you call them a bigot

And I went after you???

Since you still have not answered the very simple question in my original post you leave us no choice but to think that. Instead of just answering the question, you chose to play silly games. You made a statement. I wanted to make sure I understand your position so I asked a question. You refused to answer the question. Play all the games you want but the fact of the matter is you won't answer it. Let's stop playing games. I will ask you a few very straight forward questions. Answer them without bullshit word games if you dare. I know you won't because that would actually force you to state your position for a change which would not leave you the wiggle room you need to flip flop later.

1) Do you oppose the building of the proposed community center/mosque
Yes
2) Do you feel that all of Islam should be held responsible for what occurred on 9/11
no

I could ask others, but lets start there.

I also feel that this is not about religion

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,648]

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Show me where I even came close to lumping anyone together

The bit where you suggested that MLK's assassins are to the KKK what Al Qaeda are to the whole of Islam.

yep, I think it was there.

Then you are just as ignorantly incorrect as the other

If that's not what you meant, then you know that your analogy is bullshit.

My analogy is right on
You assumptions of what I think about muslims is the bull shit

No, it's not. You can't have it both ways.

If you don't think that the relationship between MLK's assassins and the KKK is similar to the relationship between Al Qaeda and Islam then you can't use anyone's arguments in support of this mosque to decide they would be in favour of this hypothetical KKK centre.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 917]

We need a "scratching head" emoticon.
I suppose this one will do.

[rushmc 23]

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Show me where I even came close to lumping anyone together

The bit where you suggested that MLK's assassins are to the KKK what Al Qaeda are to the whole of Islam.

yep, I think it was there.

Then you are just as ignorantly incorrect as the other

If that's not what you meant, then you know that your analogy is bullshit.

My analogy is right on
You assumptions of what I think about muslims is the bull shit

No, it's not. You can't have it both ways.

If you don't think that the relationship between MLK's assassins and the KKK is similar to the relationship between Al Qaeda and Islam then you can't use anyone's arguments in support of this mosque to decide they would be in favour of this hypothetical KKK centre.

You link the two together
This is not about religion
But you have to make it that to support your position

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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We need a "scratching head" emoticon.
I suppose this one will do.

Sorry you cant get over your own assumptions

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I also feel that this is not about religion

Wouldn't it be easier if all Muslims in the US had to wear an identifying mark? That way you'd know exactly who to be afraid of.

[normiss 917]

I assume nothing.
You clearly stated the comparison.

[jakee 1,648]

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Show me where I even came close to lumping anyone together

The bit where you suggested that MLK's assassins are to the KKK what Al Qaeda are to the whole of Islam.

yep, I think it was there.

Then you are just as ignorantly incorrect as the other

If that's not what you meant, then you know that your analogy is bullshit.

My analogy is right on
You assumptions of what I think about muslims is the bull shit

No, it's not. You can't have it both ways.

If you don't think that the relationship between MLK's assassins and the KKK is similar to the relationship between Al Qaeda and Islam then you can't use anyone's arguments in support of this mosque to decide they would be in favour of this hypothetical KKK centre.

You link the two together

No, you did. You made the feckin' analogy

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This is not about religion
But you have to make it that to support your position

What? This is a thread about a mosque. About Islamic people building a place of religious worship. How is religion not involved?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[okalb 104]

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1) Do you oppose the building of the proposed community center/mosque
Yes
2) Do you feel that all of Islam should be held responsible for what occurred on 9/11
no

I could ask others, but lets start there.

I also feel that this is not about religion

Thanks for the answers. OK, then to go back to your original analogy:

So you don't feel all of Islam is responsible, but you do feel that all of Islam should be punished or are you one of the people that just think they should not do it because it upsets people. If that is the case, what do you think about them trying to stop the construction of a Mosque on TN?

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[SkyPiggie 0]

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> I am sure billvon and others would support the KKK building
> something on the site where MLK was killed too

The KKK's not a religion.

Doesn't have to be.

The First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

You guys are defending the mosque based upon the 1st Amendment's freedom of religion clause. KKK gatherings, likewise, also have to be defended based upon the 1st Amendment's freedom of speech clause.

Either way, they are both constitutionally protected activities.
Therefore, if you favor one, you have to favor the other.

Unless you're taking the position that some people deserve constitutional rights, and others don't.
But you can't deny one group their rights, just because you don't like them.
That would make you just like the people who you are criticizing here for being against the mosque.

[okalb 104]

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Unless you're taking the position that some people deserve constitutional rights, and others don't.
But you can't deny one group their rights, just because you don't like them.
That would make you just like the people who you are criticizing here for being against the mosque.

I despise the KKK and everything they stand for but I certainly defend their right to exist and practice wherever they choose.

That being said, the argument that people against the mosque are making is that "they have the right to do it but they shouldn't because it offends people". I would agree with that statement with regards to the KKK building at the site of the MLK shooting. I would not however have a problem with a baptist church being build at the site of the MLK shooting. Just like I would have a problem with Al Queda building at ground zero but have no problems with Muslims building a Mosque there.

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[rushmc 23]

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1) Do you oppose the building of the proposed community center/mosque
Yes
2) Do you feel that all of Islam should be held responsible for what occurred on 9/11
no

I could ask others, but lets start there.

I also feel that this is not about religion

Thanks for the answers. OK, then to go back to your original analogy:

So you don't feel all of Islam is responsible, but you do feel that all of Islam should be punished or are you one of the people that just think they should not do it because it upsets people. If that is the case, what do you think about them trying to stop the construction of a Mosque on TN?

No, not being able to build there would punish all of Islam. It is not Islam that wants this thing built there. It is the radical islomo fascists’ that do. They are not one in the same. There are in fact many Muslims that would not have it built there but you will not see those interviews on the main stream crap news that is out there currently


This is not a random site choice. And if they (those wanting to build this thing) really want it to be a center of inculsion, why not agree to move it 3 or 4 blocks (they have been offered a site) why on this speicific site?

Looking at what they have done in the past is a good indication of why this site is so important to them
Well, sorry, it is important to us here in the US to

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[rushmc 23]

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Show me where I even came close to lumping anyone together

The bit where you suggested that MLK's assassins are to the KKK what Al Qaeda are to the whole of Islam.

yep, I think it was there.

Then you are just as ignorantly incorrect as the other

If that's not what you meant, then you know that your analogy is bullshit.

My analogy is right on
You assumptions of what I think about muslims is the bull shit

No, it's not. You can't have it both ways.

If you don't think that the relationship between MLK's assassins and the KKK is similar to the relationship between Al Qaeda and Islam then you can't use anyone's arguments in support of this mosque to decide they would be in favour of this hypothetical KKK centre.

You link the two together

No, you did. You made the feckin' analogy

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This is not about religion
But you have to make it that to support your position

What? This is a thread about a mosque. About Islamic people building a place of religious worship. How is religion not involved?

Building on this site for them is not about religion. It is about a conquest

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,173]

>Either way, they are both constitutionally protected activities.

Agreed.

>>Therefore, if you favor one, you have to favor the other.

Well, no. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say you have to "favor" anything. But you cannot prohibit it.

>Unless you're taking the position that some people deserve
>constitutional rights, and others don't.

Nope, they all do. And like I said, if the KKK wants to build a church (or whatever) two and a half blocks from the place MLK was assassinated, then we cannot stop them based purely on their ideology or religion.

[normiss 917]

Conquest of what? A coat factory store???

[rushmc 23]

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Conquest of what? A coat factory store???

I see you dont have the back ground info to discuss this so you resort to this

Funny shit though

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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You've been burned pretty badly on this one. I suspect you saw the segment on FOX where Pamela Geller, a right-wing blogger, proposed what you did (i.e. comparing a KKK shrine to a mosque) then reposted it without thinking about it too much.

Nice condescension there, Mr. Moderator - funny how it disappears when it's a lib posting something from Stewart or Olbermann.

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[billvon 3,173]

>Conquest of what?

The Burlington Coat Factory of Iniquity, followed in short order by conquest of the Deli of Infidels and the Video Rental Store of the Great Satan.

[jakee 1,648]

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It is not Islam that wants this thing built there. It is the radical islomo fascists’ that do.

Really? Can you demonstrate which of the Cordoba Initiative's leaders are Islamofascists, or is it the fact that they want to build the Mosque that makes them Islamofascists?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,648]

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Building on this site for them is not about religion. It is about a conquest

You see, the thing there is that A) you are assuming that it is about conquest. You have absolutely no evidence that the motive is to commemorate a conquest. And B) even if it was about conquest it would still be religious.

At the end of the day, it is a mosque: fact. It is being built by Islamic people: fact. It will be used for religious worship: fact... It is commemorating conquest: conjecture.

I am not making it about religion to fit my position - it is about religion. You are making the entirely unfounded assumption that it is about conquest in order to fit your position. End of story.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,648]

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You've been burned pretty badly on this one. I suspect you saw the segment on FOX where Pamela Geller, a right-wing blogger, proposed what you did (i.e. comparing a KKK shrine to a mosque) then reposted it without thinking about it too much.

Nice condescension there, Mr. Moderator - funny how it disappears when it's a lib posting something from Stewart or Olbermann.

Have you seen any of John Stewart on the Mosque issue? His 'follow the money' FoxNews bits have been priceless.

And when was the last time a lib posted something from Olbermann? Does that ever actually happen? I don't recall hearing the name...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?