What about the Satanists?

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Sure they worship and make sacrifices to the dark overlord, but they do good things too.

* There aren't as many homeless people or animals around them
* Encourage young people to explore their and other bodies so as to not be sacrificed as virgins.
* They've created some great music.
* Red and black are great colois
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Sure they worship and make sacrifices to the dark overlord, but they do good things too.

* There aren't as many homeless people or animals around them
* Encourage young people to explore their and other bodies so as to not be sacrificed as virgins.
* They've created some great music.
* Red and black are great colois
* Fire

It would give the fruitcakes that protest topless beaches someone else to go bother. I wonder what that fat fucker was wearing when he was born.

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* They've created some great music.

Danzig!

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Sure they worship and make sacrifices to the dark overlord, but they do good things too.

* There aren't as many homeless people or animals around them
* Encourage young people to explore their and other bodies so as to not be sacrificed as virgins.
* They've created some great music.
* Red and black are great colois
* Fire

The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.

In the same sense that cops, judges and jailers would be out of business without criminals, "Satanists" are as much a part of the christian world as is the Vatican.

When someone goes through a "satanist" phase, I assume they will eventually become a born-again something or another at some point. "Methinks thou doth protest too much," and all that.


BSBD,

Winsor

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In the same sense that cops, judges and jailers would be out of business without criminals, "Satanists" are as much a part of the christian world as is the Vatican.

Agreed...actually, I think Satan is most prevalent in Christian denominations.

I also believe he clearly infiltrtated judaism, and though he's still there I think he pretty much used them up the best he could...

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In the same sense that cops, judges and jailers would be out of business without criminals, "Satanists" are as much a part of the christian world as is the Vatican.

Agreed...actually, I think Satan is most prevalent in Christian denominations.

I also believe he clearly infiltrtated judaism, and though he's still there I think he pretty much used them up the best he could...

"Satan" is a pagan concept. Just for fun, list all the places such an entity is discussed in Torah.

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In the same sense that cops, judges and jailers would be out of business without criminals, "Satanists" are as much a part of the christian world as is the Vatican.

Agreed...actually, I think Satan is most prevalent in Christian denominations.

I also believe he clearly infiltrtated judaism, and though he's still there I think he pretty much used them up the best he could...

"Satan" is a pagan concept. Just for fun, list all the places such an entity is discussed in Torah.

am I using your copy or mine?

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Well Satanism as a teaching and following isn't actually about those things. The Satanic teachings in reference to the 'Satanic Bible', which is the most commonly followed teaching of 'Satanism' through Anton LaVey are actually really tame.

The Satanic Bible teaches against such things as sacrifice, and calls only for the injuring of an animal in cases of food or self-defence. In fact in regards to animals it's far more humane than the ordinary bible which contains sacrifices.

You'll find that many people follow basic Satanism principles, even I do. The basic ideals of Satanism as per the Satanic bible of Anton LaVey have to do with living for oneself and for ones primal nature. Satanists do not believe in an afterlife and in fact it's much like Atheism.

The basic idea of the Anton LaVey Satanic Bible is to live opposite to how the bible tells you to live, though is much like the old testament ideals, instead of forgiveness and compassion it teaches revenge. Instead of shying from greed, it welcomes it. Instead of preserving ones sexual nature it suggests to explore it.

Those who have read the Satanic bible know to take it with a grain of salt, it contains some humor with it's 'teachings' and was never created to create a new religion as such.

Apart from some of the philosophical ideals like vampiric aura and stuff, many Atheists follow much of the Satanic teachings.

It's important to differentiate between Satanism and Devil Worship these days, as they both exist and both are quite different. Where Satanism denounces any injuring of innocent animals, Devil worship promotes sacrifices and murder, and unlike Satanism which is just a guide book on how to live for yourself and do what you can in the real life as there is no afterlife, the way Devil Worshipers think is that there is a powerful dark force whom shall guide them in their actions.

You'll find most of those who claim to be Satanic follow Anton LaVey's teachings and not that of Devil Worship, which is extremely rare and well, just sick. Both however do promote orgies- and that's about where the similarities stop.

For the most part though people, musicians especially are just Atheists who like the ability to scare and annoy the religious by making references to Satan. I find it quite amusing myself to 'hail the dark lord Satan' on occasion to get someone's goat.

And for what it's worth... Danzig was way more amazing in the early years in the Misfits before he turned into a Wolfman ;)

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In the same sense that cops, judges and jailers would be out of business without criminals, "Satanists" are as much a part of the christian world as is the Vatican.

Agreed...actually, I think Satan is most prevalent in Christian denominations.

I also believe he clearly infiltrtated judaism, and though he's still there I think he pretty much used them up the best he could...

"Satan" is a pagan concept. Just for fun, list all the places such an entity is discussed in Torah.

am I using your copy or mine?

How is your Hebrew?

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I assume they will eventually become a born-again something or another at some point.

And then there are those of us who got it right the first time around.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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I assume they will eventually become a born-again something or another at some point.

And then there are those of us who got it right the first time around.

You are an Atheist?

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Have you forgotten the book of Job, aka Iyov?

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In the book of Job (Iyov), ha-satan ("the accuser") is the title of an angel submitted to God. In Judaism ha-satan does not make evil, rather points out to God the evil inclinations and actions of humankind. In essence ha-satan has no power unless humans do evil things. After God places a wager with Satan about Job's piety, God gives "ha-satan" permission to test the faith of Job. The righteous man is afflicted with loss of family, property, and later, health, but he still stays faithful to God. At the conclusion of this book God appears in a whirlwind, explaining to all that divine justice is inscrutable. In the epilogue Job's possessions are restored and he has a second family to replace the one that died.

In the Torah, satan is used to describe both military (1 Sam 29:4; 1 Kings 5:4) and legal (Ps 109:6) adversaries. Satan is also in the Balaam's story in Numbers 22. The Angel of the LORD is identified as an adversary or a physical block to Balaam's journey in Numbers 22:22. Later in Numbers 22:32 the Angel of the LORD specifically identifies himself by claiming to be like an adversary, again using the term satan.

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Have you forgotten the book of Job, aka Iyov?

Stealing from wiki since I'm on my phone.

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In the book of Job (Iyov), ha-satan ("the accuser") is the title of an angel submitted to God. In Judaism ha-satan does not make evil, rather points out to God the evil inclinations and actions of humankind. In essence ha-satan has no power unless humans do evil things. After God places a wager with Satan about Job's piety, God gives "ha-satan" permission to test the faith of Job. The righteous man is afflicted with loss of family, property, and later, health, but he still stays faithful to God. At the conclusion of this book God appears in a whirlwind, explaining to all that divine justice is inscrutable. In the epilogue Job's possessions are restored and he has a second family to replace the one that died.

In the Torah, satan is used to describe both military (1 Sam 29:4; 1 Kings 5:4) and legal (Ps 109:6) adversaries. Satan is also in the Balaam's story in Numbers 22. The Angel of the LORD is identified as an adversary or a physical block to Balaam's journey in Numbers 22:22. Later in Numbers 22:32 the Angel of the LORD specifically identifies himself by claiming to be like an adversary, again using the term satan.

That would be Kethuvim (The Writings), not Torah (The Law).

Kethuvim includes such books of questionable origin and content as Esther and Job; Esther (the Magilla) is the only book in the Tanakh with no reference to a supreme being, and also gives an account that is not supported by excessive independent documentation (no Hamen character mentioned elsewhere).

Torah is fundamental, Nevai'im are basic as well, Kethuvim are supplemental.

My point still stands that there is no reference to "heaven," "hell," or "satan" in the first five books (Torah/pentateuch).


BSBD,

Winsor

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My point still stands that there is no reference to "heaven," "hell," or "satan" in the first five books (Torah/pentateuch).

Lewis black wasn't joking!

"Jewish people are full of shit!"

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That's what I get for using wiki without thinking. If you limit the discussion to the five books, they still include Numbers, aka Bamidbar, and numbers 22:22 and 22:32 include mention of ha-satan as being an angel of god, don't they?

I'm going off of sources and translations so I'm not 100%. My Hebrew is worse than my Arabic. At least I can curse you fluently, that's what counts, right?

I just have to laugh sometimes. The three most significant religions in the world all start with the same five books, and look where we are.

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