The plot thickens

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/26/new.york.muslim.stabbed/index.html?hpt=Sbin

This is weird. This kid should never have done this obviously.

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Enright became involved in the work we do -- building bridges across race, culture and religion and forging common ground for reconciliation and peace," Chase said.

Then he goes and does this? Something smells fishy.

Dom

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Sounds like a confused young man with a drinking problem.

[billvon 3,102]

Hmm. So he's a Christian religious activist who - per his diary - hated Muslims. Interesting.

Why didn't his fellow Christians stop him? Where's the outrage? Why should we trust a religion that is OK with knife attacks on other religions?

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Hmm. So he's a Christian religious activist who - per his diary - hated Muslims. Interesting.

Why didn't his fellow Christians stop him? Where's the outrage? Why should we trust a religion that is OK with knife attacks on other religions?

DAYUM.. now with his impending conviction we can't get him into uniform to go marching as to war, with the cross of jeus going on before..

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i didnt see anything about his diary. Where did you read that?

Even if he said it, he started out wanting to build bridges with them. I would be curious to read his diary and see what made him change his mind.

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Why didn't his fellow Christians stop him? Where's the outrage? Why should we trust a religion that is OK with knife attacks on other religions?

Again. All religion is evil. In the end it is about money, power and killing the guy that doesn't agree with you.

Dom

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Sounds like a confused young man with a drinking problem

Probably. But if he started out wanting to "build bridges" what would cause him to do something so horrible?

Dom

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Sounds like a confused young man with a drinking problem

Probably. But if he started out wanting to "build bridges" what would cause him to do something so horrible?

Who knows... Way too little information to psychoanalyze the dude. But...

I had read about this case elsewhere, and I was under the impression that he started writing anti-Muslim sentiments in his diary after a trip to Afghanistan, which I believe was after he had volunteered at the interfaith place(???) And it sounded like he had a possible history with alcohol abuse, which commonly causes "Jekyll and Hyde"-type behavior.

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I had read about this case elsewhere, and I was under the impression that he started writing anti-Muslim sentiments in his diary after a trip to Afghanistan, which I believe was after he had volunteered at the interfaith place(???) And it sounded like he had a possible history with alcohol abuse, which commonly causes "Jekyll and Hyde"-type behavior.

Maybe he went over with high hopes and good intentions and then saw how fucked up it really is. Got tired of seeing how woman and children are beaten raped and killed for not submitting like they should.

Or maybe he is just a nut job. Or maybe God told him to do it.

Dom

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Got tired of seeing how woman and children are beaten raped and killed for not submitting like they should.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, because it does, but I very much doubt he ever saw anything of the sort. I spent 18 months in Afghanistan and never saw a single woman or child being beaten, raped or killed. The idea that is it happenning all over the place, all the time, is a construct of the Western mind.

- Dan G

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Hmm. So he's a Christian religious activist who - per his diary - hated Muslims. Interesting.

Why didn't his fellow Christians stop him? Where's the outrage? Why should we trust a religion that is OK with knife attacks on other religions?

Yes, and not even one Christian on DZ.com as condemned this attack, not one Christian has even appologised for it. Religion on peace?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Hmm. So he's a Christian religious activist who - per his diary - hated Muslims. Interesting.

Why didn't his fellow Christians stop him? Where's the outrage? Why should we trust a religion that is OK with knife attacks on other religions?

Why do you make the conclusion that others knew of his intentions? I didn't see anything in the story to support that, in fact just the opposite.

Why do you make the conclusion that his religion was OK with knife attacks on other religions? I saw nothing in the story to support that, in fact just the opposite.

Why do you do that? Because you are very quick to make conclusions not justified when they fit your template, all the while accusing others of doing the same. Very bad form, especially for a moderator.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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>Why do you make the conclusion that others knew of his intentions?

The same way many people conclude that New York Muslims knew of the intentions of the hijackers.

>Why do you make the conclusion that his religion was OK with knife attacks
>on other religions?

The same way many people conclude that New York Muslims are OK with terrorism.

In all four cases, in other words, with no evidence whatsoever, beyond individual prejudice.

>Why do you do that?

Sorry, I really do need to use sarcasm icons or something. Maybe a little icon of Jonathan Swift.

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/26/new.york.muslim.stabbed/index.html?hpt=Sbin
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If my memory serves me right, I've seen that face already today in another SC thread - is that correct, Andy9o8?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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>Why do you make the conclusion that others knew of his intentions?

The same way many people conclude that New York Muslims knew of the intentions of the hijackers.

>Why do you make the conclusion that his religion was OK with knife attacks
>on other religions?

The same way many people conclude that New York Muslims are OK with terrorism.

In all four cases, in other words, with no evidence whatsoever, beyond individual prejudice.

>Why do you do that?

Sorry, I really do need to use sarcasm icons or something. Maybe a little icon of Jonathan Swift.

Yes, an irony indicator would help.

Still, you make the error of seeing an absolute when none has been intended. You seem to require a distinct qualification on the degree/numbers of a group that is being criticized.

If I denounce Islamofacists, you assume I do not denounce Christianfacists, and other such assumptions.

It seems that you think that when you identify such lack of correct specificity, or not acknowledging a larger generality, that you've uncovered a big flaw in a person's point they are making. I don't think it accomplishes that at all. I assert that you just appear to be petty and wanting to avoid the real issues. It has the effect of making the forum boring.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 3,102]

> You seem to require a distinct qualification on the degree/numbers of
> a group that is being criticized.

Absolutely. "I don't trust blacks" is very different than "I don't trust blacks in the gang that broke into my car" - and both those are different than "I don't trust the people in the gang that broke into my car."

Likewise, "Jews are greedy" is very different from "The Jewish guy who sold me that car was greedy" and again both are different from "the guy who sold me that car was greedy."

In both cases the third statement is 100% accurate. The second statement is also accurate but makes unfortunate implications as to cause, leading (often) to statements like the first.

So yes, the distinctions between those three statements are important.

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If I denounce Islamofacists, you assume I do not denounce Christianfacists. That sort of thing is really boring, and indicates you don't want to address the real issues.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 3,102]

Did you even read my reply?

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Did you even read my reply?

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Absolutely. "I don't trust blacks" is very different than "I don't trust blacks in the gang that broke into my car" - and both those are different than "I don't trust the people in the gang that broke into my car."

Yes, I read it, and as usual you avoided the issue. I did not say that I hate Islam (the equivalent to "I don't trust blacks" as you said). I said I hate Islamofacists. That should be OK to do without having to say I also hate all facists. You see a need to require the generalization that is irrelevant to the topic.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 3,102]

>I did not say that I hate Islam (the equivalent to "I don't trust blacks" as
>you said). I said I hate Islamofacists.

Right. The equivalent would be saying "I hate black criminals." Which as I pointed out may well be 100% accurate, but unfortunately suggests that the person is making a distinction between black criminals and other sorts of criminals.

Which is why it's important to make it clear that you are _not_ making such a distincion.

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Did you even read my reply?

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Absolutely. "I don't trust blacks" is very different than "I don't trust blacks in the gang that broke into my car" - and both those are different than "I don't trust the people in the gang that broke into my car."

Yes, I read it, and as usual you avoided the issue. I did not say that I hate Islam (the equivalent to "I don't trust blacks" as you said). I said I hate Islamofacists. That should be OK to do without having to say I also hate all facists. You see a need to require the generalization that is irrelevant to the topic.

Reading something usually means you understood the content. In this instance, that does not appear to be the case.

Why do use the conplete ridiculolous epithet "Islamofascists"?

Look up the word "facists", then come back here and clarify why "Islamofascists" is anything but a comical term concocted by Shrub.

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It cracks me up, that he turned out to be a left wingnut!

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Naturally, the temptation would be to think this psychopath was fervently opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque, but not so fast. From the Village Voice:

Michael Enright of Brewster, New York, who was booked on charges of attempted murder and assault with a weapon as a hate crime, is listed on Facebook as an employee of the New York City-based Intersections International, a “global initiative dedicated to promoting justice, reconciliation and peace across lines of faith, culture, ideology, race, class, national borders and other boundaries that divide humanity.” And a few weeks ago, they announced their support for — you guessed it — the Cordoba House, better known to many as the “Ground Zero Mosque.”…

And on August 3, 2010, Intersections International came out with this press release:

Intersections supports the efforts of its partner organizations, The Cordoba Initiative and the American Society for Muslim Advancement, to develop a Community Center and Muslim prayer space, called “The Cordoba House,” at 47-51 Park Place in Manhattan. The vision is to create a place where individuals–regardless of race, faith or ethnicity–will find a center for learning, art, cultural expression and athletics; and most importantly, a center guided by the universal values of all religions–compassion, generosity, peace and human dignity.

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Did you even read my reply?

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Absolutely. "I don't trust blacks" is very different than "I don't trust blacks in the gang that broke into my car" - and both those are different than "I don't trust the people in the gang that broke into my car."

Yes, I read it, and as usual you avoided the issue. I did not say that I hate Islam (the equivalent to "I don't trust blacks" as you said). I said I hate Islamofacists. That should be OK to do without having to say I also hate all facists. You see a need to require the generalization that is irrelevant to the topic.

Reading something usually means you understood the content. In this instance, that does not appear to be the case.

Why do use the conplete ridiculolous epithet "Islamofascists"?

Look up the word "facists", then come back here and clarify why "Islamofascists" is anything but a comical term concocted by Shrub.

They are facists that do it in the name of/on behalf of their Islamic faith. Which part of that don't you agree with?

I understand that the term sounds mean/insulting. Tough shit for them. I think it is absolutely appropriate. I believe it is important to identify things correctly, and to not coddle those trying to destroy the western world. Some think that Islamofacists can be appeased, that apologies, outreach, diplomacy will be effective. I think not. The Islamofacist leaders need a change of heart, and I don't think coddling them will bring that about.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Yes, and not even one Christian on DZ.com as condemned this attack, not one Christian has even appologised for it. Religion on peace?

I must have missed your condemnation of and apology for the Ft. Hood massacre...can you point it out for me?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I don't believe he's a Muslim, Mike. Might have been born one, but changed.

I didn't apologize for Andres Yates killing her children, even though:
I am a woman
I am a mother
I am a Christian
I live in the same town
I'm just like her

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I don't believe he's a Muslim, Mike. Might have been born one, but changed.

I didn't apologize for Andres Yates killing her children, even though:
I am a woman
I am a mother
I am a Christian
I live in the same town
I'm just like her

Wendy P.

You weren't calling for Yates to apologize, were you?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706