wmw999 2,567 #26 August 26, 2010 I'm really just trying to make a point about tarring everyone with the same brush out of ignorance. The vast majority of Mormons don't deserve it, and neither do the vast majority of Muslims. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #27 August 26, 2010 QuoteThe Mormons haven't lived in peace for 200 years. Read up on the Mountain Meadows massacre and blood atonement. About 1.2% of the American population are fundamentalists, and the fundamentalist churches believe in polygamy. Numbers from Wikipedia (fundamentalist Mormonism) and Adherents.com. I'm not trying to bash the Mormons. The beliefs are weird to me, but much of the lifestyle is heathy and family-friendly. I'm really just trying to show how painting all Muslims with the same brush based on exposure to a few is stupid and narrowminded. 150 years ago people were having conversations about the Mormons that some are having about Muslims now. And there was more violence against the Mormons than they ever perpetrated. Wendy P. Did the Mormons kill thousands in the name of their god in recent history? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #28 August 26, 2010 Even the Good Muslim's I know, the mother lives in fear of her suband at all times, that he will beat her f everything is not done as he wishes, Or if a man ever see's her hair! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,567 #29 August 26, 2010 How many Muslims do you actually know? None of the ones I know personally feel that way. But I do know a couple of redneck women who were scared of their husbands. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #30 August 26, 2010 Wendy, lets say you met a great wonderful caring man. He treated like a queen and you fell madly deeply in love with him. He asks you to marry him. He is a practicing Muslim. Would you marry him and convert to Islam?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,567 #31 August 26, 2010 I would marry him. I would not convert to Islam unless I believed in it, just as I could see marrying a Jew, and as I married an atheist. If he demanded that I convert to marry him, well, he'd probably be the wrong man for me. But I've done some looking at Islam; much of it makes plenty of sense. Go all the way and it gets weird, but so do Christianity and Judaism. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #32 August 26, 2010 Why wouldnt you convert. If QuoteBut I've done some looking at Islam; much of it makes plenty of sense. Go all the way and it gets weird, but so do Christianity and Judaism. If all religions are pretty much weird anyway. If you married a Catholic, would you convert?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,567 #33 August 26, 2010 The same answer applies. My basic nature currently is that of a liberal Christian; I was raised as an LCA Lutheran, and have been a member of a combined UCC/PC-USA church. We Now: would I go to services with them? Probably, in all cases, but probably not all the time. But going to services and converting are two different things. Services, to me, can be a good opportunity to think periodically about what it means to be a good person. To me, there's something worthwhile learning from most ethical/spiritual frameworks. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,095 #34 August 26, 2010 >Did the Mormons kill thousands in the name of their god in recent history? No, but the Christians sure did. Google "The Troubles." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #35 August 26, 2010 I was trying to get you to say you would convert to Catholicism and not Islam. So I could get you to admit that Islam would take away your rights as a woman. Work is getting in the way of my devious mind and dont have them time now to draw you into my trap. Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #36 August 26, 2010 QuoteNo, but the Christians sure did. Google "The Troubles." Lets just say we should abolish all religion. Lets just be good to each other and not let some book tell us how to love and who to kill. We can do that on our ownDom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37 August 26, 2010 QuoteTheir religion calls for plural marriage. That's illegal,isn't it? Wendy P. Hey I am ok with it... as long as I can have all the guys I want and need to keep me happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #38 August 26, 2010 QuoteHey I am ok with it... as long as I can have all the guys I want and need to keep me happy Pick and choose away. Everyone else is. Except your a woman so you dont get what you want. You have to give guys what they want. All the religions say so.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #39 August 26, 2010 QuoteLets just say we should abolish all religion. Lets just be good to each other and not let some book tell us how to love and who to kill. We can do that on our won. It won't work...don't you see that religion is the scapegoat for evil men? "I want this, I want that, God wants me to have it, so it's settled, you're gonna die!"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #40 August 26, 2010 QuoteIt won't work...don't you see that religion is the scapegoat for evil men? Religion is evil. The few praying on the many for there own ends.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 August 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteHey I am ok with it... as long as I can have all the guys I want and need to keep me happy Pick and choose away. Everyone else is. Except your a woman so you dont get what you want. You have to give guys what they want. All the religions say so. Not in mine. I believe a matriarchal society where polyandry is right and proper leading to a peaceful world as it was before the patriarchies literally fucked it up and had humans at war for the last 6000 years. The male of H. sapiens, suffering from testosterone poisoning derangement, is incapable of living peacefully with any form of life. I would be lenient…. You may choose the color of your collar Dom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #42 August 26, 2010 Quote>Did the Mormons kill thousands in the name of their god in recent history? No, but the Christians sure did. Google "The Troubles." the Mormons haven't been around long enough to kill thousands. However, the Mormons have killed hundreds This is one example. Google "Danites" for a few interesting (probably mostly inaccurate) reads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #43 August 26, 2010 QuoteNot in mine. I believe a matriarchal society where polyandry is right and proper leading to a peaceful world as it was before the patriarchies literally fucked it up and had humans at war for the last 6000 years. The male of H. sapiens, suffering from testosterone poisoning derangement, is incapable of living peacefully with any form of life. I would be lenient…. You may choose the color of your collar Dom. You may be on to something, but you have to let the guys take over for at least a few days every month. The mood swings would really mess with the peace and love going on. Royal Blue collar with neon yellow highlights please.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,567 #44 August 26, 2010 QuoteIslam would take away your rights as a womanIt wouldn't, any more than any of the conservative Christian sects would. There are plenty of liberal Muslim women out there. They look just like everyone else. They drive, vote, work, go to school, and some wear the pants in their family. It's the fundamentalism, not the religion. Look at Orthodox Judaism and any number of right-wing Christian sects (e.g. the fundamentalist Mormons) for other examples that subjugate women to men. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #45 August 26, 2010 QuoteThere are plenty of liberal Muslim women out there. They look just like everyone else. +1 Not sure if liberal muslim would be the right term though...but maybe. I consider my self a liberal Christian, but certainly not because I have a liberal theology.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #46 August 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteIslam would take away your rights as a womanIt wouldn't, any more than any of the conservative Christian sects would. There are plenty of liberal Muslim women out there. Like all the ones in Oakland, CA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #47 August 27, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Islam would take away your rights as a woman It wouldn't, any more than any of the conservative Christian sects would. There are plenty of liberal Muslim women out there. Like all the ones in Oakland, CA. Actually, they're all over the place...you just don't notice them.They're rather attractive too without their face all wrapped up...but I have to admit that somtimes I think the burkas are sexy.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #48 August 27, 2010 QuoteI'm really just trying to make a point about tarring everyone with the same brush out of ignorance. The vast majority of Mormons don't deserve it, and neither do the vast majority of Muslims. Wendy P. I understood the point you want to make, I think. However... Are you considering Mormons as a unique off-shoot of Christianity? Mormons by definition aren't Christian. Or perhaps you're trying to identify fundamentalist Mormons as fanatical off-shoots of Mormons? Fundamentalists are no more unique from Mormonism as Mormons are from Christianity. Lutherans, Protestants, Baptists are all off-shoots of Catholicism... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #49 August 27, 2010 Quote The vast majority of Mormons don't deserve it, and neither do the vast majority of Muslims. "What about the Christians?"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #50 August 27, 2010 QuoteLutherans, Protestants, Baptists are all off-shoots of Catholicism... I don't know about all that...the Catholics are the ones that decided to go off in their own direction to a theology that is pratically antithetical to the Bible...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
