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Wrong Court Ruled On Arizona Law

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dgskydive    0

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You would be able to understand this all better then I.

Does a state actually have the right to wage war like that article says? If the drug wars in Mexico encroach on the peace and safety of El Paso TX. Instead of these bullets hitting buildings they start killing U.S. Citizens. The Federal Govt. does nothing like the pretty much are now. Can Texas or Az. actually wage war?

Plain talk please. .
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skyrider    0

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They ARE butchering cattle....all over the border! ask any rancher that owns land there



That i didn't know. Shoot them for trespassing then. Just make sure to post signs in Spanish first that all trespassers will be shot. Thats still legal in the U.S. right?



Nope, one rancher is still in jail for holding a group of mexicans at gunpoint, until the border patrol came to pick them up, (he had lost several cattle over the montsh to butchers)

He was arrested for false inprisonemnt!

And his land is VERY will posted in spanish!

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skyrider    0

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You would be able to understand this all better then I.

Does a state actually have the right to wage war like that article says? If the drug wars in Mexico encroach on the peace and safety of El Paso TX. Instead of these bullets hitting buildings they start killing U.S. Citizens. The Federal Govt. does nothing like the pretty much are now. Can Texas or Az. actually wage war?

Plain talk please. .



Be nice if that is true!

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You would be able to understand this all better then I.

Does a state actually have the right to wage war like that article says? If the drug wars in Mexico encroach on the peace and safety of El Paso TX. Instead of these bullets hitting buildings they start killing U.S. Citizens. The Federal Govt. does nothing like the pretty much are now. Can Texas or Az. actually wage war?

Plain talk please. .



Plain talk is what I understand. Seems to me, we have the 'National Guard' in each state. The governor of each state can call upon the Guard to protect their state. The National Guard has been called-out during factory strikes and 'race riots'. Seems to me, they should be able to call-out the Guard to protect our border cities. Do we have to wait for an all out attack from drug cartels and mass blood shed? Wait a second... aren't all the Guard units in Afghanistan and Iraq? [:/]


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In order to wage war, you usually need an army. Generally speaking, states don't have those.
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State Defense Forces (SDF) (also known as State Guards, State Military Reserves, or State Militias) in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government; they are not regulated by the National Guard Bureau nor are they part of the Army National Guard of the United States.[1] State Defense Forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state.

State Defense Forces are distinct from their state's National Guard in that they cannot become federal entities (all National Guard units can be federalized under the Militia Act of 1903 with the creation of the National Guard of the United States). The federal government recognizes State Defense Forces under 32 U.S.C. § 109 which provides that State Defense Forces as a whole may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the Armed Forces of the United States, thus preserving their separation from the National Guard. However, under the same law, individual members serving in the State Defense Force are not exempt from service in the Armed Forces (e.g., draft). NGR 10-4 [4] further states: "State regulations should provide for immediate discharge of SDF members who have been appointed, inducted, enlisted, ordered, or called in the Armed forces [sic] of the U.S., or a Reserve component thereof."

Nearly every state has laws authorizing State Defense Forces, and 22 states, plus Puerto Rico, have active SDFs with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State Defense Forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions. Most SDFs are organized as Army units, but Air and Naval units also exist.

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muff528    3

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This decision is great news!



Not a decision, just an opinion piece printed in Canada.



Oops! Whatever it is, I hope it's true!


Chuck



It's not true. You might want to read posts 13 and 20.



from post 13: "...but to make it obligatory only in appropriate cases."

A case involving a State vs. the Federal Gov't in a matter of immigration is not necessarily an appropriate case for the SC to be obliged to exercise it's jurisdiction? The cases cited were State vs. State or State vs. City.

Edit to add: Does a State vs. Fed Govt. case begin with a lawsuit filed by A.G. Holder or did it begin with the Federal Court decision last month?

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skyrider    0

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Hows this for an act of war?????????
http://www.ktsm.com/federal-agent-dismembered

The body of a federal police agent was found dismembered in Juarez, Tuesday.

The agent was found just a few feet from the border between Juarez and El
Paso.

The man's body had been found dismembered with body parts spread out across
street.

His head was left on top of a Nissan Xterra.

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masterrig    1

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They ARE butchering cattle....all over the border! ask any rancher that owns land there



That i didn't know. Shoot them for trespassing then. Just make sure to post signs in Spanish first that all trespassers will be shot. Thats still legal in the U.S. right?


Nope, one rancher is still in jail for holding a group of mexicans at gunpoint, until the border patrol came to pick them up, (he had lost several cattle over the montsh to butchers)

He was arrested for false inprisonemnt!

And his land is VERY will posted in spanish!


To me, that's bull-shit. We have the right to protect our property... would the rancher have been better off shooting them and claim 'self defense'? :S


Chuck

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Amazon    7

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Wow!! I cant listen to the video hear at work. This just happened yesterday?



Its a MEXICAN Federal Agent

The sign said.. this is what will happen to those who support the cartel...


Move along.... no Americans were harmed in the making of this misdirection post.

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AndyBoyd    0

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OK, I will admit I was not aware of these SDFs. Seems like they could certainly be deployed in emergency situations much like the National Guard. Could a state "declare war" or "wage war" using these SDFs under the US Constitution? Only Congress can "declare war", but we've only formally done that a few times. I don't see why a state couldn't legitimately use these SDFs in legit emergencies.

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Hows this for an act of war?????????
http://www.ktsm.com/federal-agent-dismembered

The body of a federal police agent was found dismembered in Juarez, Tuesday.

The agent was found just a few feet from the border between Juarez and El
Paso.

The man's body had been found dismembered with body parts spread out across
street.

His head was left on top of a Nissan Xterra.



Did the newsman mis-speak or did he quote the note as (approximately) "This is a federal agent and this is what will happen to others who support the cartel." ? That doesn't make much sense to me if it is members of the cartel who are doing the killings.

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masterrig    1

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To me, that's bull-shit. We have the right to protect our property... would the rancher have been better off shooting them?



I guess you cant place someone under citizens arrest if they are killing your livestock.


Probably not... they weren't U.S. citizens!:D


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Does a state actually have the right to wage war like that article says?



Considering that the drug cartel activity coming up from Mexican doesn't seem to present any challenge to the sovereignty of California through Texas, no. If the Mexican Army was mobilized on the border then could see it becoming a situation where the governor calls out the National Guard if the feds do nothing. But there is also the situation where states are precluded from treaties, etc. The feds keep the states together and manage international affairs.

A state going to war is just silly. What? Will the Arizona National Guard attack across the border?


[Reply]If the drug wars in Mexico encroach on the peace and safety of El Paso TX. Instead of these bullets hitting buildings they start killing U.S. Citizens. The Federal Govt. does nothing like the pretty much are now. Can Texas or Az. actually wage war?



Nope. Could you imagine Reuters reporting that Arizon crossed the border and attacked Mexico? Wage war? If Mexican troops were amassing that would sweep in and plant a flag then yes. It could go to war. I don't see that going on now.


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States can certainly call up the National Guard in emergencies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States

In order to wage war, you usually need an army. Generally speaking, states don't have those. Although there are some guys in the woods in Northern Michigan that seem ready to go...



You mean Dearborn?:|
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Sucks to be in El Paso.



Do a Google search. It's currently ranked the second-safest city in the US.



Then whoever ranked them is a fucking LIAR!
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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