WHy is someone that doesnt agree with or trust Islam labeled a racist?

[dgskydive 0]

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That's exactly what a very large number of people are saying.

I was talking about here in NYC. You would have to ask someone in those other places what their motive is for that. I wonder if it has something to do with things like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8GWwgjZhnM

Dom

[dgskydive 0]

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OK. So I asked you this before. If you moved into a neighborhood, and your town didn't like the color of your skin - would you move somewhere else to be sensitive to their feelings? (We'll assume your immediate neighbors are fine with it, but the town doesn't like "your kind" because of a bad experience people there once had.)

I didnt see where you asked me this before. I would have answered.

No, if someone asked me to move because of the color of my skin. I would not.

This is not about race Bill, it is about religion and if you really think about it. HUMAN RIGHTS. Islam likes to strip that, from even believers. Just ask a female Muslim. Oh wait... you cant. They will stone her to death.

Dom

[normiss 891]

So we're going to stoop to their extremist followers approach to treating people?

[jakee 1,594]

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This is not about race Bill, it is about religion and if you really think about it. HUMAN RIGHTS. Islam likes to strip that, from even believers. Just ask a female Muslim. Oh wait... you cant. They will stone her to death.

Yes you can. Find the nearest female muslim to where you live, ask her to tell you about her religion and see if she gets stoned to death. I'll bet you a jump ticket that she'll be ok.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[dgskydive 0]

Your right. There are a some that can get away with it. But not all. More importantly, not all in the U.S.

There is a .99 store around the corner from my Apt. run by a Muslim. He seems nice enough. His wife runs the cash register. Try to say anything to her other then "how much is this". He tells her to go in the back and then demands you leave the store. Im not talking about flirting with her. Just simple small talk while she is ringing your purchase up.

Dom

[dgskydive 0]

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So we're going to stoop to their extremist followers approach to treating people?

When did I ever say stoop to the same level as the extremists? If I meant that...i would kill you for questioning me. Or at least give you 100 lashes.

Dom

[normiss 891]

Well you clearly give an almost militant distrust and fear of all religions except your own and have admitted that in some of the hatred threads here.
Sorry if I misunderstood that.

[dgskydive 0]

You must have missed the part where I said. I think ALL religion is corrupt. WE just happen to be talking about Islam.

I dont need a book of stories to tell me what is right and wrong. I dont need a book of stories that people twist to fit into what they believe it should say.

Dom

[normiss 891]

Hence me stating "all religions" in my response. You're saying the same thing the Islamic extremists are saying.
"No religion but mine!"

[dgskydive 0]

No you said

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Well you clearly give an almost militant distrust and fear of all religions except your own

I dont have a religion.

I dont fear any religion. I think they are all full of shit. I wanna say... Wake up people, you dont need religion. you just need to be good to each other. Religion has been the cause of more death and suffering in the world then anything else.

Dom

[normiss 891]

Is that not the same thing???

You distrust those that don't believe the same way you do.

Sounds the same to me.

Personally, I choose to not follow any organized religion and my beliefs are personal. Not that this should matter to anyone but me.

[Amazon 7]

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Is that not the same thing???

You distrust those that don't believe the same way you do.

Sounds the same to me.

Personally, I choose to not follow any organized religion and my beliefs are personal. Not that this should matter to anyone but me.

Ding Ding Ding



Folks we have a winner here.

[dgskydive 0]

s that not the same thing???

You distrust those that don't believe the same way you do.

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So my religion is not having a religion? OK fine.

Then mine is right and if you don't agree with me I chop your head off and claim your women and property for my own. All of your male offspring will be my servants and their offspring will belong to my offspring from now until the end of time. Not even death shall be an escape for them.

Seriously though. Dont hate on me for not believing and distrusting please. You dont make me feel good and I have the right to feel good even if you dont agree.

Dom

[billvon 3,107]

>I have - and you still contradict yourself. You cannot claim religious freedom . . .

I don't think you read it. The First Amendment does not guarantee religious freedom.

[billvon 3,107]

>No, if someone asked me to move because of the color of my skin. I would not.

Nor would I. Nor should a church move because of the color of their skin, or the name of their religion, or the sexual orientation of the people who make up that church.

>This is not about race Bill, it is about religion . . .

Correct. And prejudging people based on either is a bad idea.

>Just ask a female Muslim. Oh wait... you cant. They will stone her to death.

Uh - do you actually _know_ any Muslim women? I do. They're pretty much regular people; none that I know have been stoned to death.

[dontsplatmatt 0]

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You REALLLLLY do not want to compare my acceptance of other human beings to those of you who purport to be good patriotic christian americans on this forum.

Acceptance of other human beings is different the accepting a religion that IS NOT TOLERANT of others. I accept people, not religion that tells me to kill you if you dont agree with me.

Christianity?

[normiss 891]

I'm not hating on you at all for your beliefs.
I'm simply trying to point out that your perspective is the same as the ones you distrust.
Again you have referenced the attitude of the EXTREMISTS, NOT the majority of the followers.

That's like me hating and distrusting ALL women because I have met some that were liars, cheats, drunks, thief's, saw life differently than I did, hid things from me, were poor parents, etc. This simply is not true of women as a whole. Quite unfair to them were I to think that.
Only a select few that I was smart enough to leave be.
"Thank God"

[turtlespeed 226]

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I'm not hating on you at all for your beliefs.
I'm simply trying to point out that your perspective is the same as the ones you distrust.
Again you have referenced the attitude of the EXTREMISTS, NOT the majority of the followers.

That's like me hating and distrusting ALL women because I have met some that were liars, cheats, drunks, thief's, saw life differently than I did, hid things from me, were poor parents, etc. This simply is not true of women as a whole. Quite unfair to them were I to think that.
Only a select few that I was smart enough to leave be.
"Thank God"

But if I gave you video of hordes of women killing people. Then showed you where the book that they base their life on says that that is how it should be, then some of them blew up some of your family and friends.

Would you not be a LOT more cautious around them?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,107]

>But if I gave you video of hordes of women killing people. Then showed you
>where the book that they base their life on says that that is how it should
>be, then some of them blew up some of your family and friends.

>Would you not be a LOT more cautious around them?

Around women who blew up some family and friends - yes.

Around women in general - no. Even if the Bible tells them to dash their babies against rocks.

[mnealtx 0]

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Uh - do you actually _know_ any Muslim women? I do. They're pretty much regular people; none that I know have been stoned to death.

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it never happens.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,107]

>Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it never happens.

Of course. Nevertheless, the statement that you can't ask Muslim women how they feel because "they will stone her to death" is inaccurate.

Or to be more specific, it is as accurate as saying that you should ask the children of Christians if their parents love them. Oh wait, you can't - the Bible says to kill them.

[normiss 891]

I would still believe that have a right to construct their homes.
Even in my neighborhood.


If the videos you provided were from a third world country and not in the USA, of a small minority of extreme women, I would most likely dismiss your fears and distrust.

[turtlespeed 226]

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I would still believe that have a right to construct their homes.
Even in my neighborhood.


If the videos you provided were from a third world country and not in the USA, of a small minority of extreme women, I would most likely dismiss your fears and distrust.

The problem is proving or disproving the amount of individuals involved in what you may call extreme, while they may, behind closed doors, call it the norm.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[mnealtx 0]

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>Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it never happens.

Of course. Nevertheless, the statement that you can't ask Muslim women how they feel because "they will stone her to death" is inaccurate.

Overstated, perhaps...inaccurate? No.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[normiss 891]

That has not been my impression of them by any means.