WHy is someone that doesnt agree with or trust Islam labeled a racist?

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I wasn't aware that Islam was a race. It is a religion that has many races practicing it right? So how can someone that doesn't trust Islam be a racist? Some people on here have been saying that if you are against Islam you are against brown people and are a racist.

Dom

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I wasn't aware that Islam was a race. It is a religion that has many races practicing it right? So how can someone that doesn't trust Islam be a racist? Some people on here have been saying that if you are against Islam you are against brown people and are a racist.

Islam is the new "Black"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Well since Blacks were kidnapped and forced to come to this country and turned into slaves and treated as property. I don't think Islam is the new Black.

Just curious as to some posters logic on this. People have been compared to sheet wearing confederate flag waving racists.

Dom

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Well since Blacks were kidnapped and forced to come to this country and turned into slaves and treated as property. I don't think Islam is the new Black.

Just curious as to some posters logic on this. People have been compared to sheet wearing confederate flag waving racists.

You aren't familiar with the comment, obviously.

here . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I wasn't aware that Islam was a race. It is a religion that has many races practicing it right? So how can someone that doesn't trust Islam be a racist? Some people on here have been saying that if you are against Islam you are against brown people and are a racist.

Someone once said, "If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If the facts support on the other side, attack their lawyer. If that isn't working, invent and twist."

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Well since Blacks were kidnapped and forced to come to this country and turned into slaves and treated as property. I don't think Islam is the new Black.

Just curious as to some posters logic on this. People have been compared to sheet wearing confederate flag waving racists.

By Muslim Slave traders, no less!

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I wasn't aware that Islam was a race. It is a religion that has many races practicing it right? So how can someone that doesn't trust Islam be a racist? Some people on here have been saying that if you are against Islam you are against brown people and are a racist.

Well, often those people include generalizations (all Muslims are terrorists) or obvious statements like towel heads.

The distinction between race and religion v racism is a legitimate question, but our language no longer has common phrasing that is religion specific. Bigoted would work, but that phrase is generally read as = racist.

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I wasn't aware that Islam was a race. It is a religion that has many races practicing it right? So how can someone that doesn't trust Islam be a racist? Some people on here have been saying that if you are against Islam you are against brown people and are a racist.

It's not as simple as not liking or trusting the religion. I don't like it, and devout Islamic people give me the creeps.

However I do recognise that 'muslims' are not a homogenous block of nasty 'other' people all with the same scary agenda, and I don't want to stop Islamic organisations from being able to operate in the same way any other religious organisation is allowed to (though I think they all enjoy a few too many priviledges, expecially here in the UK) just because they're Islamic.

There are a lot of people out there (and some on here) who do think of Islam and muslims like that, and it's functionally the same as racism.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JohnRich 4]

Muslims even hate each other. Sunni and Shia, for example. And within those splits, there are other divisions, like the Hazara and Hanafi. Throw any of 'em together in the same place and they want to kill each other. Especially if the muslims are "outsiders", say muslims from Pakistan or Chechnya, in Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Queda regularly massacred whole villages of sects that they don't like, and anyone who wasn't killed was raped, had a hand cut off, or was forced to fight with them.

It's ironic that we have people vehemently supporting things like the right of gays to marry, and also the religious freedom of muslims in America. Even though some of those muslim sects treat women as nothing more than the personal property of their husbands or fathers, to be abused and oppressed as they see fit. It's kind of contradictory, if you ask me. If you support human rights, then you should condemn the practices of the traditional muslim faiths.

Somehow it makes them feel good to speak out in favor of religions which conduct human rights abuses. While at the same time calling those of us who condemn those practices, "racists".
Go figure.

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You aren't familiar with the comment, obviously.

I am. I just think it is silly to say that.

Dom

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Muslims even hate each other. Sunni and Shia, for example. And within those splits, there are other divisions, like the Hazara and Hanafi. Throw any of 'em together in the same place and they want to kill each other. The Taliban and Al Queda regularly massacred whole villages of sects that they don't like.

It's ironic that we have people vehemently supporting things like the right of gays to marry, and also the religious freedom of muslims in America. Even though some of those muslim sects treat women as nothing more than the personal property of their husbands or fathers, to be abused and suppressed as they see fit. It's kind of contradictory, if you ask me. If you support human rights, then you should condemn the practices of the traditional muslim faiths.

Somehow it makes them feel good to speak out in favor of religions which conduct human rights abuses.
Go figure.

I CERTAINLY do not trust most adherants to Islam. As a woman I see the inexhaustable supply of barbarism visited on women in their culture. I have travelled to their lands... and been expected to conform to their customs when in those places.

When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

One of those basic tenets is the freedom of religion in OUR CONSTITUTION. You and others here once took an oath to defend that constitution. The founding fathers sought to build a country that can survive diverse beliefs. Far too many current Americans get a HUGE FAIL in trying to live up to those ideals they put forth.

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Muslims even hate each other. Sunni and Shia, for example. And within those splits, there are other divisions, like the Hazara and Hanafi. Throw any of 'em together in the same place and they want to kill each other. The Taliban and Al Queda regularly massacred whole villages of sects that they don't like.

Shhh, don't point out the truth. You be labeled a racist. Remember Islam is a religion of peace. They just discuss their difference and work things out so that all parties get a fair deal.

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It's ironic that we have people vehemently supporting things like the right of gays to marry, and also the religious freedom of muslims in America. Even though some of those muslim sects treat women as nothing more than the personal property of their husbands or fathers, to be abused and suppressed as they see fit. It's kind of contradictory, if you ask me. If you support human rights, then you should condemn the practices of the traditional muslim faiths.

Kinda contradictory? Maybe just a little.

Dom

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

So, when they claim to have their own exclusive community, and want to run it under sharia law by themselves, then you'll oppose that muslim group?

Will that then make you an unAmerican unpatriotic racist?

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Someone who does not trust someone who is Muslim purely because they are Muslim is a bigot. Someone who extends that to Arabs is a racist.

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Muslims even hate each other. Sunni and Shia, for example. And within those splits, there are other divisions, like the Hazara and Hanafi. Throw any of 'em together in the same place and they want to kill each other. The Taliban and Al Queda regularly massacred whole villages of sects that they don't like.

Shhh, don't point out the truth. You be labeled a racist. Remember Islam is a religion of peace. They just discuss their difference and work things out so that all parties get a fair deal.

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It's ironic that we have people vehemently supporting things like the right of gays to marry, and also the religious freedom of muslims in America. Even though some of those muslim sects treat women as nothing more than the personal property of their husbands or fathers, to be abused and suppressed as they see fit. It's kind of contradictory, if you ask me. If you support human rights, then you should condemn the practices of the traditional muslim faiths.

Kinda contradictory? Maybe just a little.

I support more freedom for all Americans.... I find it incongruous that so many conservatives only pay that concept lip service.

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

So, when they claim to have their own exclusive community, and want to run it under sharia law by themselves, then you'll oppose that muslim group?

Will that then make you an unAmerican unpatriotic racist?

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions

[dgskydive 0]

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

That is the problem Jean, they don't. Islam doesn't let them. You should cover up and submit so that you dont offend a Muslim no matter what country you live in. Your rights be damned. The Quran says so.

Dom

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>You should cover up and submit so that you dont offend a Muslim
>no matter what country you live in. Your rights be damned.

Or submit to political correctness and move your mosque so you don't offend a Christian; your first amendment rights be damned.

Intolerance is everywhere. Fighting intolerance with even more intolerance never works.

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Muslims even hate each other. Sunni and Shia, for example. And within those splits, there are other divisions, like the Hazara and Hanafi. Throw any of 'em together in the same place and they want to kill each other. Especially if the muslims are "outsiders", say muslims from Pakistan or Chechnya, in Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Queda regularly massacred whole villages of sects that they don't like, and anyone who wasn't killed was raped, had a hand cut off, or was forced to fight with them.

Even normal western Muslims? If I took one middle class American Sunni and one Shia would they inevitably fight to the death?

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It's ironic that we have people vehemently supporting things like the right of gays to marry, and also the religious freedom of muslims in America. Even though some of those muslim sects treat women as nothing more than the personal property of their husbands or fathers, to be abused and oppressed as they see fit. It's kind of contradictory, if you ask me. If you support human rights, then you should condemn the practices of the traditional muslim faiths.

And traditional Mormons, and traditional Christians... In fact, when did marital rape become illegal in the US?

I despise anyone in any religion who still proclaims those kind of beliefs, but when someone from one religion with no shortage of skeletons in the closet tries to pin that stuff on the other religion in its entirety my bullshit meter tends to go off.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Darius11 12]

Well racism might not be the right word but bigot is a good one. Mainly because people say absolute idiotic things and think its fact about Islam. Or they hold different standards for Islam then they do there own religion.

Read This comment made by JohnRich on your thread.

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Muslims even hate each other. Sunni and Shia, for example. And within those splits, there are other divisions, like the Hazara and Hanafi. Throw any of 'em together in the same place and they want to kill each other. Especially if the muslims are "outsiders", say muslims from Pakistan or Chechnya, in Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Queda regularly massacred whole villages of sects that they don't like, and anyone who wasn't killed was raped, had a hand cut off, or was forced to fight with them.

It's ironic that we have people vehemently supporting things like the right of gays to marry, and also the religious freedom of muslims in America. Even though some of those muslim sects treat women as nothing more than the personal property of their husbands or fathers, to be abused and oppressed as they see fit. It's kind of contradictory, if you ask me. If you support human rights, then you should condemn the practices of the traditional muslim faiths.

Somehow it makes them feel good to speak out in favor of religions which conduct human rights abuses. While at the same time calling those of us who condemn those practices, "racists".
Go figure.

Every thing he said can be said about all religions, and all people if you choose to generalize.
Neither Christianity nor Judaism tells you too hug gays. They both say kill them. All people have had conflicts. Its just so fucking stupid to say “They even kill each other” as if that only happens in the Muslims world. Now the bigger issue is when a Christian rapes a kid, blows up a building, or commits genocide some view the individuals or group that did the act as the bad guys. Yet when the same persons religion is Islam there tends to be generalization.

That’s the issue. and Also so many on here have posted the same shit constantly; looking at any thing to make Islam look bad and always ignoring anything good. It is obvious there mind has been made up regardless of the facts.

As a general rule it is really stupid to judge or even comment on the tendencies of a large group of people by the actions of a few. Stupid and very inaccurate.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[jakee 1,594]

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

That is the problem Jean, they don't. Islam doesn't let them. You should cover up and submit so that you dont offend a Muslim no matter what country you live in. Your rights be damned. The Quran says so.

What about all the muslims who don't believe that, and the Imams and mosques that don't preach that? What's their relation to Islam?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

That is the problem Jean, they don't. Islam doesn't let them. You should cover up and submit so that you dont offend a Muslim no matter what country you live in. Your rights be damned. The Quran says so.

Uh... so how many jews have you seen in NY outside of seafood restaurants stoning people to death after they come out after dinner. I mean... those pesky Laws in Leviticus say its an abomination.

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When in THIS COUNTRY.... I expect them to conform to our laws and OUR traditions..

That is the problem Jean, they don't. Islam doesn't let them. You should cover up and submit so that you dont offend a Muslim no matter what country you live in. Your rights be damned. The Quran says so.

Uh... so how many jews have you seen in NY outside of seafood restaurants stoning people to death after they come out after dinner. I mean... those pesky Laws in Leviticus say its an abomination.

I even have gay friends.....off course its just so i can kill them later for Allah. ALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALLALA.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Someone who does not trust someone who is Muslim purely because they are Muslim is a bigot. Someone who extends that to Arabs is a racist.

and previously from Amazon:

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I CERTAINLY do not trust most adherants to Islam.

hmmm . . .

Bigotry is a form of racism is it not, and/or vice versa?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Uh... so how many jews have you seen in NY outside of seafood restaurants stoning people to death after they come out after dinner. I mean... those pesky Laws in Leviticus say its an abomination.

Not one. In fact living in the Upper Westside where I do, it is Jewish Central. Have not seen anything like that what so ever. Seem to be very nice people that tend to stick to themselves and have no problem with me or what I do. I leave them in peace and they do the same.

Oh and the Orthodox Jews. Have not had a problem with them either. But they tend to not really interact with many non Jews. At least from my experience.

Dom