Cordoba Mosque = The Conquest of Manhattan

[JohnRich 4]

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Cordoba Mosque = The Conquest of Lower Manhattan From a Crime Victims Perspective

The Cordoba Initiative and Park51, the amended title of the Cordoba Mosque project at Ground Zero, is inflaming public opinion like no other issue in recent history... and rightfully so.

This project is purposefully named after "The Great Mosque" or "Mezquita" in Cordoba, Spain. In the early 8th century, The Christian Church of Saint Vincent sat upon the foundation of a Roman temple. Then the Moors (or Arabs) came, tore down St. Vincent's and built "The Great Mosque" to commemorate their victory over the Christians in Southern Spain. This conquest of the territory signified the Islamic supremacy over the Christians. And the Cordoba Mosque became the second most important house of worship, after Mecca, in the Muslim world.

So I ask? Why is this project being called the Cordoba Initiative here in lower Manhattan? If Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the Cordoba Initiative, was interested in building bridges between the Muslims and the West, why would they name the mosque something so incendiary?

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-parker/cordoba-mosque-the-conque_b_691583.html

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News:

Cordoba Mosque = The Conquest of Lower Manhattan From a Crime Victims Perspective

The Cordoba Initiative and Park51, the amended title of the Cordoba Mosque project at Ground Zero, is inflaming public opinion like no other issue in recent history... and rightfully so.

This project is purposefully named after "The Great Mosque" or "Mezquita" in Cordoba, Spain. In the early 8th century, The Christian Church of Saint Vincent sat upon the foundation of a Roman temple. Then the Moors (or Arabs) came, tore down St. Vincent's and built "The Great Mosque" to commemorate their victory over the Christians in Southern Spain. This conquest of the territory signified the Islamic supremacy over the Christians. And the Cordoba Mosque became the second most important house of worship, after Mecca, in the Muslim world.

So I ask? Why is this project being called the Cordoba Initiative here in lower Manhattan? If Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the Cordoba Initiative, was interested in building bridges between the Muslims and the West, why would they name the mosque something so incendiary?

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-parker/cordoba-mosque-the-conque_b_691583.html

Because the name is Hip and Trendy?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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From their website:

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The name Cordoba was chosen carefully to reflect a period of time during which Islam played a monumental role in the enrichment of human civilization and knowledge. A thousand years ago Muslims, Jews, and Christians coexisted and created a prosperous center of intellectual, spiritual, cultural and commercial life in Cordoba, Spain.

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In the 10th-11th centuries Córdoba was one of the most advanced cities in the world, as well as a great cultural, political, financial and economic centre. The Great Mosque of Córdoba dates back to this time; under caliph Al-Hakam II Córdoba received what was then the largest library in the world, housing from 400,000 to 1,000,000 volumes.

What a terrible situation to try to emulate! I know that the US, in naming things, always picks ones that reflect the worst of times so that we can remember them

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,611]

So... Christians take Pagan temple and turn into church: Good!

Muslims conquer the land and take 150 year old church and turn into mosque: Bad!

Christians conquer the land and turn 500 year old mosque into church: Good!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[shropshire 0]

Side Bar : We've been to the Mezquita in Cordoba, it's a stunning, stunning set of buildings .... Well worth the visit.

The dichotomy between the old Moorish parts and the garwdy Catholic decoration is all too apparent.

Their design appears to be based upon maths and observation, rather than mythology.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[billvon 3,132]

>If Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the Cordoba Initiative, was
>interested in building bridges between the Muslims and the West, why >would they name the mosque something so incendiary?

Because Cordoba was an example of religions peacefully coexisting for hundreds of years.

But people didn't like it. So out of respect for their sensibilities, he changed the name.

[JohnRich 4]

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In the 10th-11th centuries Córdoba was one of the most advanced cities in the world, as well as a great cultural, political, financial and economic centre.

So in all the thousands of years of muslim history, they can't come up with one other instance of a good name, that doesn't have the consequent negative connotations that "Cordoba" has? I find that hard to believe.

So they're not sensitive to the feelings of New Yorkers about the location. And they're not sensitive to the feelings of Americans about the connotations of the name "Cordoba".

It doesn't sound like they're trying real hard to get along peacefully.

Meanwhile, muslims everywhere INSIST that Americans bend over backwards to accommodate THEIR cultural sensitivities.

I think I smell a double standard.

[billvon 3,132]

>So they're not sensitive to the feelings of New Yorkers about the location.
>And they're not sensitive to the feelings of Americans about the
>connotations of the name "Cordoba".

I guess if they were sensitive, they would change the name.

Hmm. They DID change the name. I guess by your own argument, they are indeed sensitive to the feelings of New Yorkers.

Another problem solved. What's the next one?

[dgskydive 0]

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Because Cordoba was an example of religions peacefully coexisting for hundreds of years.

Or it is an example of Muslim conquest. I mean they did lose the Cordoba back to the Christian religions eventually didnt they? Obviously someone wasn't happy with the peace loving religion the is Islam.

Dom

[Amazon 7]

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Because Cordoba was an example of religions peacefully coexisting for hundreds of years.

Or it is an example of Muslim conquest. I mean they did lose the Cordoba back to the Christian religions eventually didnt they? Obviously someone wasn't happy with the peace loving religion the is Islam.

Read much about the Crusades..... and the POWER that THE CHURCH held over people of the time??

Would you like to live under that kind of theocratic nightmare?

[jakee 1,611]

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Because Cordoba was an example of religions peacefully coexisting for hundreds of years.

Or it is an example of Muslim conquest. I mean they did lose the Cordoba back to the Christian religions eventually didnt they? Obviously someone wasn't happy with the peace loving religion the is Islam.

Right. That would have to be the reason for military conquest, in Europe, in the Dark Ages. No, really, they always needed a bloody good provocation before they got the armies on the march back then

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Because Cordoba was an example of religions peacefully coexisting for hundreds of years.

Or it is an example of Muslim conquest. I mean they did lose the Cordoba back to the Christian religions eventually didnt they? Obviously someone wasn't happy with the peace loving religion the is Islam.

In that era (read any century up until the Industrial Revolution) you'll find most cities were founded after a conquest. And perhaps more than one at a given location over time. Small chiefs consolidated land and power via battle. And the battle between the Christians and the Moors persisted for centuries.

[JohnRich 4]

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Hmm. They DID change the name.

The Imam still has a web site called "Cordoba":
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

[jakee 1,611]

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So in all the thousands of years of muslim history, they can't come up with one other instance of a good name, that doesn't have the consequent negative connotations that "Cordoba" has? I find that hard to believe.

Those exact negative consequences? I'm sure they could. Any negative consequences? No, probably not.

Let's be clear, they don't dislike the name because of the history of Cordoba, they dislike the name because it was going to be the name of the new mosque and then went looking for a reason.

To be honest, a) surely the history of Cordoba is of Team Jesus ultimately prevailing over team Beardy-Man and b) before this whole row kicked up I'd be amazed if the vast majority of people who'd ever heard of the mosque/cathedral at Cordoba wouldn't have thought of it as a positive reference, re. a stunning network of buildings and mix of architectural styles and a major tourist attraction.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,611]

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Hmm. They DID change the name.

The Imam still has a web site called "Cordoba":
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

The Cordoba Initiative is building the Community Centre/mosque, they are not the Community Centre/mosque.

According to that website The Cordoba Initiative has had it's name for over ten years now - think of all the sensitive Americans they must have been offending in that time. Or was it actually offending anyone at all, until now?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,132]

>The Imam still has a web site called "Cordoba":
>http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

Uh, right. He does indeed.

But we're talking about a proposed Islamic center two and a half blocks from Ground Zero. You said that if they were sensitive to the feelings of Americans about the connotations of the name "Cordoba" they would change the name of that building. They did change the name of that building. Thus, by your own words, they're sensitive to the feelings of Americans concerning the name of the place.

Next!

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>The Imam still has a web site called "Cordoba":
>http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

Uh, right. He does indeed.

But we're talking about a proposed Islamic center two and a half blocks from Ground Zero. You said that if they were sensitive to the feelings of Americans about the connotations of the name "Cordoba" they would change the name of that building. They did change the name of that building. Thus, by your own words, they're sensitive to the feelings of Americans concerning the name of the place.

Next!

I believe that it is possible.

But tell me Bill . . . if your loved ones were in the rubble, how do you think you would treally feel?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Skyrad 0]

Oh goodie another thread on the same subject.

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[Amazon 7]

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>The Imam still has a web site called "Cordoba":
>http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

Uh, right. He does indeed.

But we're talking about a proposed Islamic center two and a half blocks from Ground Zero. You said that if they were sensitive to the feelings of Americans about the connotations of the name "Cordoba" they would change the name of that building. They did change the name of that building. Thus, by your own words, they're sensitive to the feelings of Americans concerning the name of the place.

Next!

I believe that it is possible.

But tell me Bill . . . if your loved ones were in the rubble, how do you think you would treally feel?

I would be happy iof my government went after the people... the radicals that did it... not go after someone else who had ZOIP to do with it...oh look the black shiney stuff....ooops 5000 more dead Americans. The only way we as Americans are going to get help from the majority of Muslims.. is to live up to our own Constitution and the ideals of our country.. not the ideals of OUR RADICALS who think EVERYONE is agin em.

[billvon 3,132]

>But tell me Bill . . . if your loved ones were in the rubble, how do you
>think you would treally feel?

I came within 20 minutes of being on Flight 11. My brother in law was not in his WTC office that day by luck. And I don't have a problem with it.

If I had loved ones in the rubble I strongly suspect I would feel the same way. I've lost friends to Afghani snipers and Iraqi insurgents, and mosques here don't bother me. It was not the religion that killed those people; it was a handful of Al Qaeda terrorists.

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>But tell me Bill . . . if your loved ones were in the rubble, how do you
>think you would treally feel?

I came within 20 minutes of being on Flight 11. My brother in law was not in his WTC office that day by luck. And I don't have a problem with it.

If I had loved ones in the rubble I strongly suspect I would feel the same way. I've lost friends to Afghani snipers and Iraqi insurgents, and mosques here don't bother me. It was not the religion that killed those people; it was a handful of Al Qaeda terrorists.

Handful . . . the handful of Al Qaeda terrorists . . . how many is a handful, Bill?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[JohnRich 4]

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The Cordoba Initiative is building the Community Centre/mosque, they are not the Community Centre/mosque.

Same thing. The term "Cordoba" has negative consequences for east-west relations, which is the purported purpose of this Imam and mosque. Therefore, he shouldn't use the term.

How about if someone started a "Crusades Initiative" to build a Christian church in the middle of Mecca - do you suppose the muslims might be offended by that name and action? Would that be a good way to foster good east-west relations?

[billvon 3,132]

>Handful . . . the handful of Al Qaeda terrorists . . . how many is a
>handful, Bill?

More than a couple, less than a lot.

[billvon 3,132]

>The Conquest of Lower Manhattan

Not just Lower Manhattan - THE ENTIRE COUNTRY! From Bryan Fischer of The American Family Association:

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Permits should not be granted to build even one more mosque in the United States of America, let alone the monstrosity planned for Ground Zero. This is for one simple reason: each Islamic mosque is dedicated to the overthrow of the American government.
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Because of this subversive ideology, Muslims cannot claim religious freedom protections under the First Amendment. They are currently using First Amendment freedoms to make plans to destroy the First Amendment altogether. There is no such thing as freedom of religion in Islam, and it is sheer and utter folly for Americans to delude themselves into thinking otherwise.
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Between that and the terrorist babies, we have no other choice - we must ban mosques and make abortion for such terrorists mandatory.

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>Handful . . . the handful of Al Qaeda terrorists . . . how many is a
>handful, Bill?

More than a couple, less than a lot.

Would 10 be a lot?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun