Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles

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JR, I consider this entire thread #2.

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JR, I consider this entire thread #2.

Then why are you spending so much time on it? Walk away. You've said your piece. Be done with it.

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JR, I consider this entire thread #2.

Congradulations - you understand the symbol, but the definition seems to be escaping you. A thread is not a number. It can be counted as one, but is not inherently a number.

Here is some help. We'll work on #3 next week.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Oh, I'm pretty certain I know the definition I mean and it's well accepted by most people.

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JR, I consider this entire thread #2.

Then why are you spending so much time on it? Walk away. You've said your piece. Be done with it.

So, when somebody else starts an anti-gun thread do you promise you'll only make a single post and "be done with it"?

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uh, this is starting to look like Lucky when someone kids him about the Onion. You seem no less obsessed than John.

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>I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody,
>enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

Everybody has their hotbuttons. I imagine there are people out there right now who are physically sick at the thought of banning Mad Cow beef, and are even now posting their own polls and writing their representatives to overturn this vile and hateful ban.

Interesting - you equate used rifles with diseased meat.

I'm not sure why John makes most of his threads a poll ("do you agree with me") when the responses serve that purpose just as well. I rarely vote in binary polls.

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The use of the word "administration" is pretty vague. It could mean anything from Obama to a low level lackey at the ATF simply saying "Uh, the paperwork wasn't filled out right."

so the president isn't responsible for the actions of his staff? At least not this president?

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I wish these rifles would be imported. They're incredibly expensive right now and this might bring the price down. I'd love to have one.

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>Interesting - you equate used rifles with diseased meat.

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It's not "diseased meat!" The meat doesn't get the disease, it's the cow, and even then when properly cooked it's 99.99% safe. That's safer than skydiving! Do you want to BAN SKYDIVING, too, then?

How about stones? Stones kill about two dozen people a year in the US. Do you want to BAN STONES?

It's only truly ignorant people who want to BAN food that could be used to save starving kids throughout the world. But I guess to them it's more important to believe the fake political science alarmists than to feed children. Really says a lot about their morality.

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you rarely play that role (childish ranter) well, Bill. It's too bad you're increasingly doing it.

Mad Cow defense is as dry a strawman as we ever see in this forum. It's about as lame as the arguments used by the Prop 8 defenders in court.

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>Mad Cow defense is as dry a strawman as we ever see in this forum.

Which was exactly my point.

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>Mad Cow defense is as dry a strawman as we ever see in this forum.

Which was exactly my point.

trolling was your point?

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>trolling was your point?

Nope, not at all.

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>Mad Cow defense is as dry a strawman as we ever see in this forum.

Which was exactly my point.

trolling was your point?

He doesn't have one.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Update:

The BATF has entered the debate in support of banning the import of legal firearms:
http://www.scribd.com/full/39176770?access_key=key-k0k126h4dxkbhjq0z4r

Their reasons seem to be:

1) More guns will be imported into America, and that's bad.

2) These guns would be sold in commerce with no more controls than any other firearms, and that's bad.

3) Bad guys might convert the M1 Carbines into machine guns, and even though the bad guys aren't already doing that with existing M1 Carbines, that's bad.

4) The more guns there are, the cheaper they will be, and that's bad.

Lions and tigers and imported guns, oh my!

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Oh, how terrible! More guns like ones we already have all over the country that are almost never used in crimes might be brought into the country! And they might be cheaper! Oh heaven forbid!

Seriously, the BATFE may as well come out and say they are against poor people owning guns, they are against handguns, and they can't even tell whether something is explosive or not.

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There is no "ban" and no evidence Obama is even vaguely aware of the situation let alone took person action on the issue.

The import has been blocked. Is that different from banning the import?

This story has been in the papers for two months, in an election year, and it concerns one of the three Gs. I'm sure he knows all about it. So people who answer to him have banned the import. Either he knows and approves, or he ordered it to be this way, or he has no idea what the ATF is doing. Which of them do you think it is, and are ANY of them defensible positions?

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"...ATF believes the importation of these firearms, particularly the M1 carbine rifle and M-1911 pistol, poses a threat to public safety in the U.S."

uh huh. How, exactly?

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Increase in imported firearms

So? What's the complaint? More guns? We'll have that either way. That they're imported? So what. They were made here, and we have ones just like them all over the country.

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Lack of control over distribution

So? They'll go through FFL dealers to buyers who pass NICS just like every other gun. What's the problem?

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Ease in converting M1 into full auto machine gun

That's a god damned lie and they know it.

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Use as crime guns unlikely

Well at least we can all agree on that.

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Gun maker Auto Ordinance currently makes firearms that are mechanically identical to the M1

So the same gun is currently being made and sold here in the states. So what's the problem with importing ones that have collector value?

So the final question is how do these rifles pose a threat to public safety? What is the logic for banning their import into the US?

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DUUUUUDESlySlySly

Can you spell Irony??

Yes, you calling someone out for misspelling a name

IE "RePUBICans"

You doing that *IS* irony

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DUUUUUDESlySlySly

Can you spell Irony??

Yes, you calling someone out for misspelling a name

IE "RePUBICans"

You doing that *IS* irony

Those are just the ones centered on legislating morality .. all the while being some twisted mother fuckers.. or father fuckers as the case may be.

I would LOVE to see a return of the Republican Party to some form of moderation.
Instead we get more and more rePUBIClowns like the senatorial candidates from NV, Delaware, AK, and on and on.

The amount of dimmitude extant in what used to be a Grand Old Party is astounding.

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Remember being played like a chump.

Remember when personal attacks were not allowed?

Like it or not MOD...

The STATE department knows about this issue.

"A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

"The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com."

And in other news:

Asked why the M1s pose a threat, the State Department spokesman referred questions to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. ATF representatives said they would look into the question Monday afternoon, but on Wednesday they referred questions to the Justice Department. DOJ spokesman Dean Boyd referred questions back to the State Department."

So the State Department, BATF&E, and the Justice Department all kn ow about them.

AND

"The White House referred questions on the issue to the Pentagon, which referred questions to the U.S. Embassy in South Korea, which deferred back to the State Department."

So.... The State Department, BATF&E, the Justice Department, the White House, the Pentagon, and the US Embassy in S Korea all know about it.

Lets see....

White House.... Obama

State Department... Hillary Rodham Clinton Appointed by Obama

Justice Department... Eric Holder, (legal advisor to Senator Barack Obama during Obama's presidential campaign and one of three members of Obama's vice-presidential selection committee.)

Pentagon... Controlled by the Sec of Def, Robert Gates. Who was appointed by Bush, but Obama kept him.

US Embassy in S Korea... Not much that ties her to Obama, but Obama did pick her as part of the Presidential Delegation to the Republic of Korea to Attend the Seoul Liberation Commemoration Ceremonies.

So to claim that Obama did not know.... Yeah sure.
And you have said before that the man at the Top of the Administration is responsible for the actions of his administration.

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OK OK


You made your point... the commies are out to get your gun.



WAIT... is that even a valid point???

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I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody, enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

Hell, I'd like one. I tried to get one before, but the Civilian Marksmanship Program does not have many in stock.

"SINCE OCTOBER 2008, WE HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH ORDERS FOR ALL PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY RIFLES AND AMMUNITION. AS A RESULT, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT DELIVERIES FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT CMP SELLS."

And many of the popular items are sold out or only available in a bidding war.

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You made your point... the commies are out to get your gun.



WAIT... is that even a valid point???

I never said that. I just showed that the Obama administration is preventing the import of these guns.

And the Obama administrations position on firearm ownership is not exactly a secret.

Do you have a relevant point here?

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I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody, enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

Hell, I'd like one. I tried to get one before, but the Civilian Marksmanship Program does not have many in stock.

"SINCE OCTOBER 2008, WE HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH ORDERS FOR ALL PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY RIFLES AND AMMUNITION. AS A RESULT, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT DELIVERIES FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT CMP SELLS."

And many of the popular items are sold out or only available in a bidding war.

Welcome to Capitalism ... the biggest bank account gets the toys
I have mine.. I know plenty of people who have them ... BID higher next time