Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles

[JohnRich 4]

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I see you're having a lot of fun with personal bashing.

Because we all know you're above that. Right?

I see you're having a lot of fun with personal bashing. But I've yet to see you post anything to justify why M1 Garands and M1 Carbines should be banned from import. Would you actually like to address the subject? Or is bashing individuals over fabricated misperceptions, and hurling insults, all you guys have got?

Especially from a moderator, who is supposed to discourage bashing.

[JohnRich 4]

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The only ridiculous game being "played" here is the one where somebody blows what is probably a minor paperwork issue into an alleged major policy statement of "Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles."
Omaba has done no such thing and it's dishonest to say he has.

See? There's those word games again..

Irony score 10/10. Read your own thread title.

See message #12, second paragraph.

And message #51, first paragraph.

I've yet to see an anti-gun respondent here produce a single shred of evidence to support this import denial for good cause. All I see is personal attacks. I guess that means you lose the argument.

[kallend 2,147]

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The only ridiculous game being "played" here is the one where somebody blows what is probably a minor paperwork issue into an alleged major policy statement of "Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles."
Omaba has done no such thing and it's dishonest to say he has.

See? There's those word games again..

Irony score 10/10. Read your own thread title.

See message #12, second paragraph.

And message #51, first paragraph.

I've yet to see an anti-gun respondent here produce a single shred of evidence to support this import denial for good cause. All I see is personal attacks. I guess that means you lose the argument.

I've yet to see one shred of evidence that Obama had anything to do with this.

Be a man and admit your thread title is wrong.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I shoot black powder in my spare time,

Ewwww! Have you seen a doctor?

[JohnRich 4]

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I've yet to see one shred of evidence that Obama had anything to do with this.

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The U.S. administration put the brakes on the plan, citing “problems” that could be caused by the importation of the rifles.

The problems the U.S. government cited were somewhat ambiguous, said an official at the Ministry of National Defense on condition of anonymity.

“The U.S. insisted that imports of the aging rifles could cause problems such as firearm accidents. It was also worried the weapons could be smuggled to terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions,” the official told The Korea Times.

“We’re still looking into the reason why the U.S. administration is objecting to the sale of the rifles and seeking ways to resolve the problems raised,” he said.

See all those references to "U.S. Administration"? Gee, I wonder who could be in charge of that...

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Be a man...

Another personal insult. Still no on-topic substance. Please try again.

[quade 4]

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But I've yet to see you post anything to justify why M1 Garands and M1 Carbines should be banned from import.

Probably because they haven't been. There is no "ban." There is a case where one shipment from a particular seller in a particular country was stopped and even your own article says it was probably due to the deal being rushed and not dealt with properly.

THERE IS NO BAN.

But of course in typical over reactionary fashion, somebody had to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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[JohnRich 4]

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But I've yet to see you post anything to justify why M1 Garands and M1 Carbines should be banned from import.

Probably because they haven't been. There is no "ban." There is a case where one shipment from a particular seller in a particular country was stopped and even your own article says it was probably due to the deal being rushed and not dealt with properly.

THERE IS NO BAN.

Blah blah blah. More word games. Import denial = ban. At least for this batch of guns. And if he denies this batch, then what chance is there that he'll allow other batches to be treated differently?

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even your own article says it was probably due to the deal being rushed

Blah blah blah. See the quote in message #55 above. It does not say what you claim. The Koreans first announced this sale back in Sept. 2009 - 11 months ago - that's hardly "rushed". It also lists other reasons (crime, accidents) cited by the U.S. administration (Obama) as reasons for why the import was denied. You're cherry-picking the one sentence you like, and ignoring all the others. More word games and selective cognition.

[quade 4]

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Blah blah blah.

Well, you've certainly convinced me with that response.

How eloquent.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Well, you've certainly convinced me with that response. How eloquent.

Facts don't convince you, so there's nothing to lose by trying something else.

Are you ready to address the subject yet? Any anti-gun members? Hello?

[quade 4]

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Blah blah blah.

Well, you've certainly convinced me with that response. How eloquent.

Facts don't convince you, so there's nothing to lose by trying something else.

You mean "facts" like the subject line of your thread?

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Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles

Pretty sure that's not a fact.

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[JohnRich 4]

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And why put "Barry" in quotes? That's a real name that Barack used to call himself.

Do you still call yourself "Johnny" if you ever called yourself that?

I know my brothers used to append a "y" to their names; one of them even in college sometimes. But they don't use those anymore.

Why do you still use a "y" on the end of your name? Would you prefer to be called "Wend"?

Why do/did so many other famous "Barry's" always use their name with a "y" on the end?

Barry Bonds
Barry Goldwater
Barry Manilow
Barry White
Barry Bostwick
Barry Sadler

Did they all consider that name to be demeaning or childish? I doubt it. It's a legitimate adult name.

Are you ready to get back on track now and actually discuss the subject of this thread?

[JohnRich 4]

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You mean "facts" like the subject line of your thread?

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Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles

Pretty sure that's not a fact.

See message #12, second paragraph, and message #55, the quote and comment following.

Sheesh, do you guys expect me to keep repeating everything for you over and over again, when it's already been addressed?

Which one of you wants to step forward and justify why these rifles should be denied import permission? Seven of you have voted that way, but not a one of you has been willing to come forward yet and support your vote with any facts or logic. Bueller?

[quade 4]

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Which one of you wants to step forward and justify why these rifles should be denied import permission?

Why should we? YOU haven't offered up any evidence that there's anything nefarious afoot. What evidence do YOU have that it's anything more than a paperwork issue?

The only thing you have offered up so far is hyperbole and wild speculation. In other words -- crazy talk.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Which one of you wants to step forward and justify why these rifles should be denied import permission?

Why should we? YOU haven't offered up any evidence that there's anything nefarious afoot. What evidence do YOU have that it's anything more than a paperwork issue?

The only thing you have offered up so far is hyperbole and wild speculation. In other words -- crazy talk.

But of course, your speculation that it's just a paperwork snafu is NOT hyperbole, NOR crazy talk, right? Despite the fact that a Korean official lists several reasons that the administration gave him for denying the import request. But when I actually quote that official, that's suddenly "wild speculation". And you continue to ignore those sentences about crime and accidents like they don't exist. Ha!

Just more blah blah blah. Another personal insult, from a moderator no less, and a double standard to boot. But still no on-topic substance. Bueller?

Here's your question: Explain how the import of these WWII antique rifles will cause increases in crime and gun accidents. Those were the reasons given for import denial, so those are the topics which those of you who agree with the denial need to justify. Can you do it?

How many crimes are committed with M1 Garand rifles?
How many gun accidents are committed by antique firearm collectors?
Have you guys got ANYTHING?

[masterblaster72 0]

I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody, enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

I suggest a "who gives a fuck" option. You might see higher numbers in your polls.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[masterblaster72 0]

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I shoot black powder in my spare time,

Ewwww! Have you seen a doctor?

LMAO

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[billvon 3,114]

>I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody,
>enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

Everybody has their hotbuttons. I imagine there are people out there right now who are physically sick at the thought of banning Mad Cow beef, and are even now posting their own polls and writing their representatives to overturn this vile and hateful ban.

[freethefly 6]

Who actually owns these weapons? Were they on loan to Korea? If so, why should they profit from any sale. If Korea has proof that they actually paid for these weapons then I see no reason why they shouldn't profit from their sale of them. If they cannot provide documentation that they actually own them then that would lead one to assume that they were on loan to them and that the U.S. has right to them.
On another note, Bush #1 also opposed the Koreans from selling them. I guess that makes George H. Bush anti-gun.
M1 Garands can be purchased from the Civilian Marksmanship Program if you really want one.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[quade 4]

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I suggest a "who gives a fuck" option.

I've suggested the same thing many times, but the question is moot since the obvious answer is JR.

The question then probably should be, "who besides JR gives a fuck?"

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[JohnRich 4]

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"who besides JR gives a fuck?"

Ah yes, the moderator pettiness continues. How professional of you.

You sure have posted a lot of messages here for someone who now claims not to care about the issue.
Tsk tsk.

[quade 4]

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Ah yes, the moderator pettiness continues. How professional of you.

Well, somebody has to call out those with the amateur pettiness.

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You sure have posted a lot of messages here for someone who now claims not to care about the issue.
Tsk tsk.

You're pretty far ahead of virtually every other user of this web site when it comes to gun threads. Don't worry, your position as poster of all things guns related is probably safe.

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[turtlespeed 226]

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Ah yes, the moderator pettiness continues. How professional of you.

Well, somebody has to call out those with the amateur pettiness.

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You sure have posted a lot of messages here for someone who now claims not to care about the issue.
Tsk tsk.

You're pretty far ahead of virtually every other user of this web site when it comes to gun threads. Don't worry, your position as poster of all things guns related is probably safe.

I believe it was the hipocracy of your actions vs your words that was in dispute, not his thread ranking in Gun Threads.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[JohnRich 4]

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I suggest a "who gives a fuck" option. You might see higher numbers in your polls.

You seem to care enough to have commented quite a bit in previous gun threads. In fact, you've actually stated that you're okay with citizens owning guns:

"I personally don't have an objection to the right to own a gun..."

So it stands to reason that you should also have no objection to them having the ability to purchase a WWII collectible firearm from Korea. Right?

[quade 4]

I was unaware JR needed somebody to fight his battle for him, but since you've appointed yourself his protector lemme just say you do seem to be putting words in his mouth.

I wonder if he's comfortable with that?

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[JohnRich 4]

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I believe it was the hipocracy of your actions vs your words that was in dispute, not his thread ranking in Gun Threads.

Thank you for that response Turtle - you beat me to it. The word-twisting games from the anti-gun folks are simply amazing! And now the attacks will commence upon anyone who dares to take my side in this debate.

quade: consider that my response to your message #74.