airdvr 210 #1 July 27, 2010 http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/26/pentagon-papers-whistleblower-92000-pages-will-not-convey-reason-for-war/?hpt=T2 Quote"These reports are absolutely and utterly false," Gul said Monday. "I think they [the United States] are failing, and they're looking for scapegoats." Have to wonder if this is someone's idea of a way out.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #2 July 27, 2010 Who is this "someone" you are talking about? These reports, so far, are no comparison or surprising as the Pentagon Papers. If anything, it just means that someone is going to get into some serious trouble for leaking._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 July 27, 2010 QuoteDaniel Ellsberg, a former US military analyst, has described the disclosure of the Afghan war logs as on the scale of his leaking of the "Pentagon Papers" in 1971 revealing how the US public was misled about the Vietnam war. An outrageous escalation of the war is taking place," he said. "Look at these cables and see if they give anybody the occasion to say the answer is 'resources''. He added: "After $300bn and 10 years, the Taliban is stronger than they have ever been ... We are recruiting for them." However, the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers on Afghanistan - top secret papers relating to policy - had yet to be leaked, he said. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/07/27stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #4 July 27, 2010 "former" analyst equals no credibility today._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #5 July 27, 2010 Quote"former" analyst equals no credibility today. That statement, applied to Daniel Ellsberg, in precisely this particular context, is completely silly. Well, completely uninformed, more to the point. Read history. It won't bite you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #6 July 27, 2010 No, I'm correct. Things have changed since then. Business has changed since then. He hasn't been here in DOD for years. He does not know what he's talking about._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #7 July 27, 2010 QuoteHave to wonder if this is someone's idea of a way out. The Light of Day is a most effective disinfectant. Those of us old enough to remember the Vietnam War era learned that very well. History (there's that word again) repeats itself, for it is driven, in large part, by human nature; and human nature evolves very, very slowly. I can't tell you how many times I've recognized Vietnam-era rhetoric when the military or White House (Bush or Obama) have spoken about Iraq or Afghanistan. (And the 'Nam rhetoric was re-hashed Korean War rhetoric...) Now the military and WH are talking about how this release of intelligence (Oxymoron Alert!) is endangering our boys. Well, what dusty, old play-book do you think they took that one from? We've heard it all before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #8 July 27, 2010 QuoteThings have changed since then. Business has changed since then. Sorry, but that's completely naive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #9 July 27, 2010 QuoteThe Light of Day is a most effective disinfectant. Those of us old enough to remember the Vietnam War era learned that very well. Quotes don't always apply in every situation, even if you perceive it that way. The rhetoric that you hear in the news sources that is being paid most attention to may not be what really is the center of what's going on. You call my post naive; I call your posting as uninformed; your tools of assessing the situation, obsolete._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #10 July 27, 2010 Now you're just projecting. I'm not going to argue with you further. You stand by your posts, and I'll stand by mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #11 July 27, 2010 Quote Now you're just projecting. I'm not going to argue with you further. You stand by your posts, and I'll stand by mine. I'm projecting again? god I hate losing by default Is my slip showing? How is it that ones who has been on active duty since the Vietnam War and those of us on the ground who get military history forced down our throats not realize the similarities, but someone armcharing and getting info by the media is able to before any of us? Who is the one projecting here?Okay now: The simiarities of the situation have always been noticed and therefore assumed, actually scrutinized by everyone inside/outside the Service. It's importance is mostly to be used for political posturing on both sides of the aisle and protesters as if we are ignorant and don't realize the similarities. Has it occured to you to ask why things appear similar? Or to look at the differences? Or to know which similarities will be there for the next proceeding wars? Or even that these similarities are actually luxuries of not being in an all out brawl against a country that may be a possibility in the future. But of course, there are differences. . ._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
