Gawain 0 #1 July 24, 2010 http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/National_News/BREAKING_MULTIPLE_RANCHES_IN_LAREDO_TX_TAKEN_OVER_BY_LOS_ZETAS/31835 If there needs to be a clear case to activate and mobilize National Guard assets to the border, this is it. President Obama - Your citizens have been displaced by foreign invaders in what is clearly an armed insurrection. What will you do about it? Governor Perry - If the President doesn't act, it falls to you and your role a Commander-in-Chief of the Texas National Guard. What action will you take? Inaction is treason in my eyes. Assets need to be put in place to block the egress of these thugs and they need to be confronted, with extreme prejudice.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 24, 2010 They're not just "thugs." The Zetas are very highly trained commandos, very well armed and are very well financed by the drug/people trade. How well trained? The founding members of the Zetas and the hierarchy come from the Mexican special forces, who were trailed by some detachments of US spec-ops in the last 15 years. How well armed? Reports of the same gear the US military uses, stolen from military storage (top-notch NV gear, full auto weaponry, etc) as well as RPGs and other explosives. How well funded? They have the money, the man power and the pull to have started a war against the Gulf Cartel and are winning! This is an example of the problem and what people have been warning others about.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 July 24, 2010 Maybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 July 24, 2010 Well, judging by the past actions regarding Arizona, the Obama administration will cede the land to them, call the people living there racists for being concerned about what is obviously no big deal, and sue them if they attempt to stop it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 July 24, 2010 QuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. So it's our fault? That was quick.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #6 July 24, 2010 QuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. Total f**k**g fail Paul. Germane to these ranchers being overrun and our border control how? Competent border control would have been nice...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 July 24, 2010 QuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. Really? That is your solution? You do realize that this effects you and the rest of the country significantly, right?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. So it's our fault? That was quick. Of course it is - the Zetas deserting the Mexican army and starting to work for the cartels is all the fault of the US, didn't you know?.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #9 July 24, 2010 QuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. so you think we should become more isolationist? Not offer training to our allies?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 July 24, 2010 QuoteGermane to these ranchers being overrun and our border control how? How much do you know about the history of the gang?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. so you think we should become more isolationist? Not offer training to our allies? I'm thinking that it's not historically worked out for us to give military training and weapons to groups in countries with a history of instability. It didn't work out too well in Afghanistan, Iran and a host of other countries including Mexico.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteGermane to these ranchers being overrun and our border control how? How much do you know about the history of the gang? How much do *you* know? By all means, impress us with your knowledge. Edit: QuoteI'm thinking that it's not historically worked out for us to give military training and weapons to groups in countries with a history of instability. It didn't work out too well in Afghanistan, Iran and a host of other countries including Mexico. Well, so much for that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #13 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. so you think we should become more isolationist? Not offer training to our allies? I'm thinking that it's not historically worked out for us to give military training and weapons to groups in countries with a history of instability. It didn't work out too well in Afghanistan, Iran and a host of other countries including Mexico. you seem to be trying to bolster a part of your argument I didn't try to counter. so you think we should become more isolationist?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. so you think we should become more isolationist? Not offer training to our allies? I'm thinking that it's not historically worked out for us to give military training and weapons to groups in countries with a history of instability. It didn't work out too well in Afghanistan, Iran and a host of other countries including Mexico. you seem to be trying to bolster a part of your argument I didn't try to counter. so you think we should become more isolationist? You know, there are reports of US spec-op soldiers going AWOL to Mexico and having joined the Zetas. Apparently they're being paid very well to do so. Perhaps Quade would like us to also stop training our own troops as well because they might switch sides at some point.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 July 24, 2010 Quoteso you think we should become more isolationist? In certain respects, yes. It's not the business of the US to police the world and teach other parts of the world how to kill as effectively as we do. In a too large number of cases, that has bitten us in the ass.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 July 24, 2010 QuoteYou know, there are reports of US spec-op soldiers going AWOL to Mexico and having joined the Zetas. Apparently they're being paid very well to do so. Perhaps Quade would like us to also stop training our own troops as well because they might switch sides at some point. We have to train out own people. We don't have to train anyone else's. The entire "murder for hire" aspect of the last nearly 10 or so years disgusts me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #17 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteGermane to these ranchers being overrun and our border control how? How much do you know about the history of the gang? Enough to know that the US is not the sole supplier of materiel support to Mexican military entities. Again, germane to these ranchers who have clearly suffered a total failure of this government doing what is charged in its Constitution how?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #18 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe we shouldn't be in the business of training people that can turn against us. That never seems to work out in the long run. so you think we should become more isolationist? Not offer training to our allies? I'm thinking that it's not historically worked out for us to give military training and weapons to groups in countries with a history of instability. It didn't work out too well in Afghanistan, Iran and a host of other countries including Mexico. Well, we've been helping the current Mexican govt in their fight against the drug gangs. I think it's one of the reasons that they haven't completely taken over already. The US assisted the Columbian govt in the fight against the cocaine cartels in the 90s (their defeat opened the door for the Mexican gangs to become more powerful though) The groups in Afghanistan that the US supported, while they couldn't govern effectively, did not turn into the Taliban, they became the "Northern Alliance" that was fighting against the Taliban (and defeated the Taliban in '02 with a lot of help from the US)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 July 24, 2010 QuoteThe groups in Afghanistan that the US supported, while they couldn't govern effectively, did not turn into the Taliban, they became the "Northern Alliance" that was fighting against the Taliban (and defeated the Taliban in '02 with a lot of help from the US). So, you're saying the US didn't support Osama bin Laden and provide him with weapons and training during the Soviet incursions in to Afghanistan? Really?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteso you think we should become more isolationist? In certain respects, yes. It's not the business of the US to police the world and teach other parts of the world how to kill as effectively as we do. In a too large number of cases, that has bitten us in the ass. They were trained as part of a program to take the fight to the drug cartels. That was done as a stop-gap in an attempt to allow our allies to the south (Mexico) to better defend their own government. So you believe we should become more isolationist, that begins with securing our border. When the federal government fails to do so, states have to take actions to better secure our borders, such as what is being done in Arizona. So I'm glad you support positive measures like the action in Arizona. Another thing to note, Phoenix had an incident about 2 years ago where a team of Zetas infiltrated the city and conducted a SWAT style raid of a Gulf Cartel officer. They killed or kidnapped everyone in the house, they then setup an L-ambush to kill responding police officers. The Zetas used government style Suburbans with covert emergency lights (in the grill, built into the stock lighting, like what the FBI uses). They also wore black uniforms with full load-out, they looked and acted like a modern SWAT team. The responding officers used very good tactics and recognized the fatal funnel present that they had to go through to respond and instead set a perimeter and waited for their own tactical team. During that time, the Zetas were able to escape. That's an example as to why we have ended up with Border Patrol SRTs having to run personal protection security details for officers, and their families, who have made large busts.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #21 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe groups in Afghanistan that the US supported, while they couldn't govern effectively, did not turn into the Taliban, they became the "Northern Alliance" that was fighting against the Taliban (and defeated the Taliban in '02 with a lot of help from the US). So, you're saying the US didn't support Osama bin Laden and provide him with weapons and training during the Soviet incursions in to Afghanistan? Really? That still isn't when al Qaeda was created. bin Laden got his panties in a wad when the Saudi Kingdom wouldn't let him use his mujahideen to defend Saudi Arabia from Iraq during the invasion, and was incensed when "infidels" were allowed to set foot on the land of Mecca. His family denounced him, and he took his money, toys, men and found solace with the taliban (and probably helped Pakistan coordinate that whole venture as well).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 July 24, 2010 And how does that change the fact we gave him training and weapons?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #23 July 24, 2010 QuoteAnd how does that change the fact we gave him training and weapons? It doesn't. I'm still trying to get an answer as to how mercenaries invading our country is our fault...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #24 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe groups in Afghanistan that the US supported, while they couldn't govern effectively, did not turn into the Taliban, they became the "Northern Alliance" that was fighting against the Taliban (and defeated the Taliban in '02 with a lot of help from the US). So, you're saying the US didn't support Osama bin Laden and provide him with weapons and training during the Soviet incursions in to Afghanistan? Really? Really. Although he was co-leader of one of the main militia froups, the majority of the US aid didn't go to his group. I'm sure some US material ended up in his hands, because the groups often traded with each other (or stole from each other, it was a very loose alliance) Not all the groups were supported by the US (some were even supported by Iran). The majority of the US aid went to Ahmed Shah Masoud (the Lion of the Panjeer) who eventually became the leader of the Northern Alliance and was assasinated by Al Queda in northern Afghanistan on Sept 10, 2001."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #25 July 24, 2010 Hey Gang. I can find nothing about this in the mainstream news sources (TV & Newspaper) in Laredo. Nor is there anything on CNN, Fox and MSNBC. Can anyone confirm this story through a nationally recognized news source? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
