Tea Partiers, Fox News, 'Negativity' Against the President? Are These Really Black America's Most Pressing Problems?

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At the top of any list of black America's real problems is the nation's policy of black mass incarceration, described most thoroughly and eloquently by Michelle Alexander, and a recurring topic in BAR and its predecessors since 2005. The carceral state has been government's main channel of interaction with young blacks for a generation now, despite the fact that their rates of drug use are statistically indistinguishable from those of white youth. African Americans have been locked up and criminalized in such vast numbers that the integrity of millions of our families have been undermined, and the economic futures of entire communities devastated. We are an eighth the nation's population and just under half its prisoners. Why don't our leaders tell us how to make a united political statement about that?

This is the kind of real problem millions of black Americans expected the Obama administration to address.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/22-6

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some real racism here...

no doubt about it... http://www.blackagendareport.com/

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some real racism here...

no doubt about it... http://www.blackagendareport.com/

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Congressional Democrats or the White House could propose tomorrow to sunset all the two strikes, three strikes and mandatory sentencing legislation. It's just a matter of leadership. But instead of calling all Americans together to re-assess the nation's policy of mass incarceration, we have a president and a class of black political misleaders who would just rather not go there.

What about unemployment? Is "negativity" from Fox News, Republicans and the cartoonish tea party the roadblock to creating those millions green jobs that are just over the horizon. Again, the answer is no.

Unemployment is at a six decade high, and the gap between black and white employment is also at a similar high and widening daily. President Roosevelt and the Democratic congresses of the 1930s simply signed checks to put millions of Americans to work. They created public wealth by building bridges and dams, digging new subway lines in cities like Chicago, and constructing thousands of state of the art new schools. The Roosevelt administration even put teaches in local school districts directly on the federal payroll to keep the schools open, the communities viable and the quality of life acceptable.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/22-6

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The author of this piece...

Bruce Dixon is managing editor at Black Agenda Report and based in Atlanta, and will not be wearing red white and blue any time soon. He's a member of the state committee of the GA Green Party and can be reached at bruce.dixon(at) blackagendareport

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some real racism here...

no doubt about it... http://www.blackagendareport.com/

That sure looks to me like a black liberation theology oriented group/website. That means communism. Everything about their site is race focused. Hard to be post-racism when your focus is on race.

Do you agree on that assessment? Is that what you think is the right path for us?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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That sure looks to me like a black liberation theology oriented group/website. That means communism.

Are you sure it doesn't mean kittens? To me, the correlation is crystal clear.

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That sure looks to me like a black liberation theology oriented group/website. That means communism.

Are you sure it doesn't mean kittens? To me, the correlation is crystal clear.

I assert that black liberation theology is communist. Do you dispute that? Or do you dispute that the group is associated with black liberation?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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That sure looks to me like a black liberation theology oriented group/website. That means communism.

Are you sure it doesn't mean kittens? To me, the correlation is crystal clear.

I assert that black liberation theology is communist. Do you dispute that? Or do you dispute that the group is associated with black liberation?

I think most Americans wouldn't know a fucking Communist if they tripped over one; and I doubt you're any exception.

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That sure looks to me like a black liberation theology oriented group/website. That means communism.

Are you sure it doesn't mean kittens? To me, the correlation is crystal clear.

I assert that black liberation theology is communist. Do you dispute that? Or do you dispute that the group is associated with black liberation?

I think most Americans wouldn't know a fucking Communist if they tripped over one; and I doubt you're any exception.

Besides the general insult being unnecessarily insulting, you're wrong about my abilities to identify communism. But anyway, it is the movement itself that self-identifies with communism. So, can you answer the questions?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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At the top of any list of black America's real problems is the nation's policy of black mass incarceration, described most thoroughly and eloquently by Michelle Alexander, and a recurring topic in BAR and its predecessors since 2005. The carceral state has been government's main channel of interaction with young blacks for a generation now, despite the fact that their rates of drug use are statistically indistinguishable from those of white youth. African Americans have been locked up and criminalized in such vast numbers that the integrity of millions of our families have been undermined, and the economic futures of entire communities devastated. We are an eighth the nation's population and just under half its prisoners. Why don't our leaders tell us how to make a united political statement about that?

This is the kind of real problem millions of black Americans expected the Obama administration to address.

What a bizarre statement, especially in relation to the section highlighted in bold.
Even if we were to assume for a moment that the entire statement is true; What does drug usage statistics have to do with incarceration statistics ?
AFAIK, drug dealers face harsher sentences than drug users and both crimes are not the only one's that can get a person incarcerated.

I can recall at least two recent threads on this forum regarding similar subject matter, both started by you. Are you sure you want to ride this train again ?

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That sure looks to me like a black liberation theology oriented group/website. That means communism.

Are you sure it doesn't mean kittens? To me, the correlation is crystal clear.

I assert that black liberation theology is communist. Do you dispute that? Or do you dispute that the group is associated with black liberation?

I think most Americans wouldn't know a fucking Communist if they tripped over one; and I doubt you're any exception.

As usual, you need to define your terms before they have any meaning at all.

The term "Communist" has rather a broad range of definitions, and depends upon the audience. Someone who adheres to the principles set forth in "The Communist Manifesto" is viewed in some circles as a "Marxist," but meets the definition of "fucking Communist" quite nicely by other standards.

There are people who describe themselves as "Socialist," but cleave tightly to Communist dogma.

The old "Soviet" model was popular, where the worldwide orthodoxy was pretty much whatever was sanctioned by the Central Committee. I always found it darkly amusing when people would rail incessantly by excesses of, say, Berlin, but would have not one iota of criticism of identical actions authored by Moscow.

The Tailgunner Joe version of Communism includes pretty much anyone who ever came within three feet of someone who could be described as a Communist. FWIW, the Senator from Wisconsin, by engaging in wholesale unamerican activities in order to root out the unamerican, did more to garner sympathy for his perceived opponents than anything. "Gee, I would have said these guys really suck, but if McCarthy doesn't like them they can't be all bad."

A wide spectrum of regimes do or did harken to some variant of "Communism" in their official planks, most of which bear little resemblance to any defined model. Any resemblance between Evner Hoxa's Albania, Kim Il Sung's Korea, Pol Pot's Kampuchia, Mao Tse Tung's China and Ho Chi Minh's Vietnam was superficial at best.

As far as violent whackos hanging out in the weeds go, the Shining Path or Sandanistas had more in common with the Taliban than with the Bolsheviks.

Then you have the Kibbutzim, where the elements of the Shtetl lifestyle that evolved into Marxism/Communism gelled into a defined communal lifestyle. It is not generally termed "Communist," but a rose by any other name....

Having spent an awful lot of time in the company of people that fancied themselves to be "Socialists" or "Communists" of one stripe or another, I use the term "Communist" only as a rich and encompassing insult. As anything other than an epithet, the term borders on meaningless.

Of course, being an American, I suppose I wouldn't know a "fucking Communist" if I tripped over one (though, as an aside, it was someone who fit anyone's description of "Communist" that made it clear to me that NOBODY is that good in bed).


BSBD,

Winsor

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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

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As anything other than an epithet, the term ["Communist"] borders on meaningless.

Ding!

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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

What is "black america"?

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

From what I have witnessed, "black america's" biggest problem is "black america." This is a case in point of being one's own worst enemy.

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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

From what I have witnessed, "black america's" biggest problem is "black america." This is a case in point of being one's own worst enemy.

so your thoughts on communism have nothing really to do with black america?

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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

From what I have witnessed, "black america's" biggest problem is "black america." This is a case in point of being one's own worst enemy.

so your thoughts on communism have nothing really to do with black america?

Either your level of comprehension is abysmal or you are pretending to be stupid. Either way, your comment/question is so entirely moronic as to defy a direct response - which is, I suspect, intentional.


BSBD,

Winsor

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Since I am not a Black American I cannot answer this question

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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

From what I have witnessed, "black america's" biggest problem is "black america." This is a case in point of being one's own worst enemy.

so your thoughts on communism have nothing really to do with black america?

Okay, I will try to address the implied question here.

Not directly, no. My observations of things "communist" is the result of decades spent traveling to and living in various countries with claims of "Socialism," "Communism," "People's Democracy," "Capitalism" and "Other."

How "black america" relates to "communism" is entirely tangential to my "thoughts on communism."


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i don't think 'communism' is black america's most pressing problem do you winsor?

From what I have witnessed, "black america's" biggest problem is "black america." This is a case in point of being one's own worst enemy.

so your thoughts on communism have nothing really to do with black america?

Okay, I will try to address the implied question here.

Not directly, no. My observations of things "communist" is the result of decades spent traveling to and living in various countries with claims of "Socialism," "Communism," "People's Democracy," "Capitalism" and "Other."

How "black america" relates to "communism" is entirely tangential to my "thoughts on communism."


BSBD,

Winsor

WOO HOO

After having done the same I would have to agree with you. The definitions of the terms all depend on the people using them. I really believe that most people don't have a clue what it is they actually live under.

At the height of the Cold War I always found it interesting that one of our staunchest allies supported and revelled in the success of their collective model that so many of its citizens lived in...ie the kibbutzim.

Most of the "communists" we were fighting... did not even fit the definition.