Channman 2 #26 July 23, 2010 Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 July 23, 2010 Quote Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. You forgot the extra 2.9% on Medicare, so 42.5%Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #28 July 23, 2010 We had this conversation... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3901656;search_string=tax;#3901656Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #29 July 23, 2010 QuoteQuote Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. You forgot the extra 2.9% on Medicare, so 42.5% Not even beginning to talk about State sales tax, property tax, gas tax, the list goes on and on, and it's all paid with already taxed dollars. Here in Ohio it approaches 50%. I tell people that and they look at me like I have 2 heads.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #30 July 23, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #31 July 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. and that is why we are screwed....... thinking like that will sink this country. So when I am over my head in credit card debt etc. but things suck I should just spend, spend, spend and "count" on the good times coming and that I will be able to pay it all off as soon as "x" happens or "y" happens. Ya that makes a whole lot of sense....Are you kidding me????Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #32 July 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. and that is why we are screwed....... thinking like that will sink this country. So when I am over my head in credit card debt etc. but things suck I should just spend, spend, spend and "count" on the good times coming and that I will be able to pay it all off as soon as "x" happens or "y" happens. Ya that makes a whole lot of sense....Are you kidding me???? Silly analogy, nations are not individuals.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #33 July 24, 2010 Quote Silly analogy, nations are not individuals True...nations don't produce anything. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #34 July 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. and that is why we are screwed....... thinking like that will sink this country. So when I am over my head in credit card debt etc. but things suck I should just spend, spend, spend and "count" on the good times coming and that I will be able to pay it all off as soon as "x" happens or "y" happens. Ya that makes a whole lot of sense....Are you kidding me???? Silly analogy, nations are not individuals. So you are OK with running deficits in bad times in hopes that someday *maybe* it will be paid back. This sounds like something you have posted to being against on many occasions. Which political party do you affiliate yourself with? (don't worry, I don't expect an honest answer) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #35 July 25, 2010 Quote Which political party do you affiliate yourself with? (don't worry, I don't expect an honest answer) I am a life member of The Conservative Party. I believe that Keynes was correct, and Reagan and his Voodoo Economics acolytes were hopelessly wrong and mostly to blame for the current mess.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 July 26, 2010 You guys have been spending like drunken sailors in a brothel, for the last 10 years. Did you really think you didn't have to pay your share at some point? How is this at all a surprise? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #37 July 26, 2010 Quote Silly analogy, nations are not individuals. I guess you claim that physics only apply to individuals as well huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #38 July 26, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. and that is why we are screwed....... thinking like that will sink this country. So when I am over my head in credit card debt etc. but things suck I should just spend, spend, spend and "count" on the good times coming and that I will be able to pay it all off as soon as "x" happens or "y" happens. Ya that makes a whole lot of sense....Are you kidding me???? Silly analogy, nations are not individuals. So you are OK with running deficits in bad times in hopes that someday *maybe* it will be paid back. This sounds like something you have posted to being against on many occasions. Which political party do you affiliate yourself with? (don't worry, I don't expect an honest answer) The Media, seems to be asking tough questions of Sen. John Kerry, who by the way served in Viet Nam why he has docked his $7,000,000 yacht in Rhode Island where he by passed having to pay $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and doesn't have to pay a $70,000 a year excise tax. I don't know why he donsn't just come on out and say its purely a business discission. Why in the HELL would I subject myself to a half million in taxes. Damn good move, I hope this sends a message to Massachusetts, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY POCKET!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #39 July 26, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. and that is why we are screwed....... thinking like that will sink this country. So when I am over my head in credit card debt etc. but things suck I should just spend, spend, spend and "count" on the good times coming and that I will be able to pay it all off as soon as "x" happens or "y" happens. Ya that makes a whole lot of sense....Are you kidding me???? Silly analogy, nations are not individuals. So you are OK with running deficits in bad times in hopes that someday *maybe* it will be paid back. This sounds like something you have posted to being against on many occasions. Which political party do you affiliate yourself with? (don't worry, I don't expect an honest answer) The Media, seems to be asking tough questions of Sen. John Kerry, who by the way served in Viet Nam why he has docked his $7,000,000 yacht in Rhode Island where he by passed having to pay $500,000 in taxes to Massachusetts and doesn't have to pay a $70,000 a year excise tax. I don't know why he donsn't just come on out and say its purely a business discission. Why in the HELL would I subject myself to a half million in taxes. Damn good move, I hope this sends a message to Massachusetts, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY POCKET!!!! Exactly. Gross disparities across state lines must be expected to encourage this type of avoidance, whether tax laws or gun laws.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #40 July 26, 2010 But I suppose its a legal method to by pass a tax that otherwise would be imposed. I think corportations use this method as well with their aircraft, moving them to other states for a period of time every year to prevent paying large amounts of taxes. Its a good idea, and I think it should be incouraged. Like the Millionair tax imposed on millionair's in New York, what can one do other than take their money elsewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #41 July 27, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Democrats in control of Congress and the White House + Taxes going up to pay for their entitlement and social welfare programs... yeah... there's a news flash... Yep, it sucks that we educate our children and look after old people who've paid into Social Security all their working lives. Did you attend public school? Do you drive on public roads? To your point, Yes for all of the above. But what amount of Tax on income is enough? When my wife and I were first married all so many years ago we were not financially well off and owed a great deal to Credit Cards, our own doing. But like most families we cut back our spending and paid down our debt. As our income grew over the years we were able to increase our standard of living. Our government can't do without, thus it demands more and more and more of every dollar we earn. Is 39.6% enough or should it be much higher. It should be enough to balance the budget when times are good. Running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. and that is why we are screwed....... thinking like that will sink this country. So when I am over my head in credit card debt etc. but things suck I should just spend, spend, spend and "count" on the good times coming and that I will be able to pay it all off as soon as "x" happens or "y" happens. Ya that makes a whole lot of sense....Are you kidding me???? Silly analogy, nations are not individuals. I do not think it is all that silly. I think a nation doing it is WORSE because as an individual it concerns me or me and my family but a nation doing it effects everyone in the nation. That makes is "silly" for a govt. to do it!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #42 July 27, 2010 I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 July 27, 2010 Quote I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good. Well, those seem to be the case for Democratic economics as well. In bad times, spend more to smooth out the pain. In good times, spend all the added revenue (and more) on all the nice to haves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #44 July 27, 2010 QuoteQuote I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good. Well, those seem to be the case for Democratic economics as well. In bad times, spend more to smooth out the pain. In good times, spend all the added revenue (and more) on all the nice to haves. 1992-2000 didn't look so bad. At least the slope was in the right direction.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #45 July 27, 2010 Quote 1992-2000 didn't look so bad. At least the slope was in the right direction. I agree. It sparked hope for debt containment that wasn't present in 1992. And unfortunately, is no longer present now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #46 July 27, 2010 Quote I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good. The problem is it won't get paid back.... more spending will result.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #47 July 27, 2010 QuoteQuote I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good. The problem is it won't get paid back.... more spending will result. 1992-2000 had the slope in the right direction. Maybe we were doing something right then, up until we elected a clueless moron to the White House.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #48 July 28, 2010 QuoteQuote Silly analogy, nations are not individuals. I guess you claim that physics only apply to individuals as well huh? many individuals (myself included) go into debt and call it "investing in the future". Consider yourself lucky if you didn't need a mortgage or college loan. I see no reason that nations shouldn't do it. Trouble is, the US has been borrowing to pay for luxuries, like a way oversize military, and not for investment. Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #49 July 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good. The problem is it won't get paid back.... more spending will result. 1992-2000 had the slope in the right direction. Maybe we were doing something right then, up until we elected a clueless moron to the White House. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656 Blah, blah, blah it's right wing BS right? Anyway that's what happened.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #50 July 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I suggest (following Keynes, who is looking smarter every year despite his detractors) that running a deficit when times are bad is OK PROVIDED it's paid back when times are good. Reagan's "Voodoo" economics so beloved of the GOP just runs deficits all the time and never pays back even when times are good. The problem is it won't get paid back.... more spending will result. 1992-2000 had the slope in the right direction. Maybe we were doing something right then, up until we elected a clueless moron to the White House. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656 Blah, blah, blah it's right wing BS right?. Yep, you've clearly figured out where the Cato Institute comes from.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
