champu 1 #26 July 20, 2010 QuoteHis comment has merit on both sides of the political compass - no matter where your needle is - some have the intelligence to understand that there are other views, even fewer realize that they are valid, even fewer yet are those that can tolerate the that thought. And the truly pragmatic learn to tolerate invalid views of others insofar as they can be marginalized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #27 July 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteHis comment has merit on both sides of the political compass - no matter where your needle is - some have the intelligence to understand that there are other views, even fewer realize that they are valid, even fewer yet are those that can tolerate the that thought. And the truly pragmatic learn to tolerate invalid views of others insofar as they can be marginalized. And that makes you an antipragmatist?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #28 July 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteAnd the truly pragmatic learn to tolerate invalid views of others insofar as they can be marginalized. And that makes you an antipragmatist? Huh, what? To be clear: I think two stupid things happened that lead to this story. 1) Professor actually believed homosexuality is inherently wrong based on Catholic teachings and felt the need to share this with his class (directly or indirectly, see my post about not having enough information.) People who disagree with this should simply recognize it as being invalid and move on with their lives because you can't and shouldn't police thought, and the professor made it clear his beliefs wouldn't affect students in any tangible way. 2) Student was offended over what was probably a forgettable comment because he or she has thin skin, resulting in the firing of a professor who apparently has the praise of other students and faculty. Complaints like this need to be met with a little more skepticism and little less CYA. If the comments were benign, then the student can get over himself or herself. In altercations like this, the only immediate conclusion one can make is that at least one side is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #29 July 20, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd the truly pragmatic learn to tolerate invalid views of others insofar as they can be marginalized. And that makes you an antipragmatist? Huh, what? To be clear: I think two stupid things happened that lead to this story. 1) Professor actually believed homosexuality is inherently wrong based on Catholic teachings and felt the need to share this with his class (directly or indirectly, see my post about not having enough information.) People who disagree with this should simply recognize it as being invalid and move on with their lives because you can't and shouldn't police thought, and the professor made it clear his beliefs wouldn't affect students in any tangible way. 2) Student was offended over what was probably a forgettable comment because he or she has thin skin, resulting in the firing of a professor who apparently has the praise of other students and faculty. Complaints like this need to be met with a little more skepticism and little less CYA. If the comments were benign, then the student can get over himself or herself. In altercations like this, the only immediate conclusion one can make is that at least one side is wrong. I was joking. It seems more likely it is a "feel good" stance from a kid that has thin skin and no cause other than to try to disrupt someone's life and damage a career because they think they can. If the Catholic Church states that thier belief is that Homos are wrong and heteros are the only way, then that is what has to be taught in a class about Catholosism. If you went to a class about cars, would you expect to be taught about narwhales?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #30 July 20, 2010 QuoteIf you went to a class about cars, would you expect to be taught about narwhales? It's a good thing for compsci professors that indent styles aren't protected. That's a religious debate if there ever was one. 1TBS for life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites