OK, so he lied

[rushmc 23]

Only I want to here your opinions of this lie. Which context is the greater lie?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/health/policy/18health.html?_r=1&ref=politics

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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In a brief defending the law, the Justice Department says the requirement for people to carry insurance or pay the penalty is “a valid exercise” of Congress’s power to impose taxes.

That's impossible - after all, we had all our 'politically-sophisticated' posters telling us that it wasn't a tax.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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A few Key Points:

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When Mr. Stephanopoulos said the penalty appeared to fit the dictionary definition of a tax, Mr. Obama replied, “I absolutely reject that notion.”

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Mr. Obama “has not been honest with the American people about the nature of this bill,” Mr. Balkin said last month at a meeting of the American Constitution Society, a progressive legal organization. “This bill is a tax. Because it’s a tax, it’s completely constitutional.”

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In their lawsuit, Florida and other states say: “Congress is attempting to regulate and penalize Americans for choosing not to engage in economic activity. If Congress can do this much, there will be virtually no sphere of private decision-making beyond the reach of federal power.”

It has to be a tax to be legal. Yea, Obama lied. The only people that didn't know it were the "Democratic sheeple" who blindly follow him of the cliff like the lemmings they are.

The funny part is the now corrupt Department of Justice's findings on the matter. Is anyone surprised they found in favor of Obamacare? The joke continues.

This is all old news. The only real news is that the New York Times is reporting on it. It goes to show how far Obama is dropping in the poles.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

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A few Key Points:

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When Mr. Stephanopoulos said the penalty appeared to fit the dictionary definition of a tax, Mr. Obama replied, “I absolutely reject that notion.”

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Mr. Obama “has not been honest with the American people about the nature of this bill,” Mr. Balkin said last month at a meeting of the American Constitution Society, a progressive legal organization. “This bill is a tax. Because it’s a tax, it’s completely constitutional.”

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In their lawsuit, Florida and other states say: “Congress is attempting to regulate and penalize Americans for choosing not to engage in economic activity. If Congress can do this much, there will be virtually no sphere of private decision-making beyond the reach of federal power.”

It has to be a tax to be legal. Yea, Obama lied. The only people that didn't know it were the "Democratic sheeple" who blindly follow him of the cliff like the lemmings they are.

The funny part is the now corrupt Department of Justice's findings on the matter. Is anyone surprised they found in favor of Obamacare? The joke continues.

This is all old news. The only real news is that the New York Times is reporting on it. It goes to show how far Obama is dropping in the poles.

I don't care to delve into the paranoia that this thread is, but when you run an exclusive mess of a system, have a cance to change it as youw atch it fail at the profits of the inc corps, then youget what you get. Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

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Once again you confuse me with your ramblings, but I think an appropriate response is-

A) I think you need to open a dictionary to see what the word "fascist" means and...

B) The only people benefiting from the health care bill is the Insurance companies. When everyone has to pay for insurance, who do you think profits? Many more jobs will be lost when the rich have to make cut backs to pay for the poor.

C) If you take issue with anything written in the article, keep in mind it was written by and many of the quotes come from the progressives on the far left.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[mnealtx 0]

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Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

And why would those "fascist heroes" be "well at blame", Lucky? It was a straight party vote in Congress - all Dems and "Indies".

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Lucky... 0]

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Once again you confuse me...

Not that hard to do.

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but I think an appropriate response is-

A) I think you need to open a dictionary to see what the word "fascist" means and...

Yes, neo-fascist, as the Republican pigs who shovel everything to corporations and let them profit from the missery of Americans.

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B) The only people benefiting from the health care bill is the Insurance companies. When everyone has to pay for insurance, who do you think profits?

And when claims are filed they will lose and have to act appropriately. See, your lovely status quo, "I have HC, fuck those who don't" will come to an end.

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Many more jobs will be lost when the rich have to make cut backs to pay for the poor.

Uh huh, and every time the rich get called to act right, they threaten and then realize whining won;t help, so they play ball. So let's look for examples of your trickle-down brilliance:

- Great depression, when taxes were finally raised, 2.5 years after Black Tuesday, income taxes were raised 260% and guess who did better? Yea, the poor. When Clinton raisd taxes, guess who did better?

- When taxes were cut, 1925, 1980's, guesswho did worse? Yea, the poor.

So keep trying to shovel your unsubstantiated crap out here, we're buying all of it.

BTW, I'll ask the same question I asked all Reaganite drones: Can you show me a major fed tax cut that led to overall economic improvement? That should bring in the crickets.

[Lucky... 0]

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Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

And why would those "fascist heroes" be "well at blame", Lucky? It was a straight party vote in Congress - all Dems and "Indies".

If you bothered beiong honest for once and posted teh entire thought, you would see that I illustrated the inaction from the RW maggotted politicians led to the Dems forcefeeding this SOB thru, reconcilliation style. Your heroes saying, "WOW, it's AFU" and yet doing nothing led to whatever comes of this HC Bill and all the subsequent adjustments. Bring total garbage like GWB forward as pres creates an extreme opposite reaction. FDR is a great example, 4 presidential wins, never gave up 100EV's. So quit crying about the mess you and yours engineered.

[mnealtx 0]

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Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

And why would those "fascist heroes" be "well at blame", Lucky? It was a straight party vote in Congress - all Dems and "Indies".

If you bothered beiong honest for once and posted teh entire thought

I posted all that was needed to respond.

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you would see that I illustrated the inaction from the RW maggotted politicians led to the Dems forcefeeding this SOB thru, reconcilliation style.

Is THAT what all that was supposed to be? I couldn't tell - sort of read like a cross between Sam Kinnison for anger and Bobcat Goldthwaite for incoherence.

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Your heroes saying, "WOW, it's AFU" and yet doing nothing led to whatever comes of this HC Bill and all the subsequent adjustments.

Actually, the Reps put forward several alternatives, as you well know. Of course, actually admitting that won't let you pull your "it's all YOUR fault we had to do this" schtick, so you never mention that part.

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Bring total garbage like GWB forward as pres creates an extreme opposite reaction. FDR is a great example, 4 presidential wins, never gave up 100EV's. So quit crying about the mess you and yours engineered.

And end it all up with the usual babbling bullshit about FDR.

And, as usual, none of your rant has a single damn thing to do with the original post.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rhaig 0]

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I don't care to delve into the paranoia that this thread is, but when you run an exclusive mess of a system, have a cance to change it as youw atch it fail at the profits of the inc corps, then youget what you get. Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

just to be clear... this reads like you're blaming HC on Bush...

I mean, it sure sounds like you're expecting it to go sour now. What happened? What changed your mind?

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Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

And why would those "fascist heroes" be "well at blame", Lucky? It was a straight party vote in Congress - all Dems and "Indies".

If you bothered beiong honest for once and posted teh entire thought, you would see that I illustrated the inaction from the RW maggotted politicians led to the Dems forcefeeding this SOB thru, reconcilliation style. Your heroes saying, "WOW, it's AFU" and yet doing nothing led to whatever comes of this HC Bill and all the subsequent adjustments. Bring total garbage like GWB forward as pres creates an extreme opposite reaction. FDR is a great example, 4 presidential wins, never gave up 100EV's. So quit crying about the mess you and yours engineered.

Did President Bush just get blamed for the Health Care Reform Bill debacle? I wish people wouldn't drink and post.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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I don't care to delve into the paranoia that this thread is,

hahaha.

This thread isn't about HC, it's about denying passing a tax, and then admitting what everyone knew all along.

Bush tried this in 1988, and we saw how that worked out for him in the following election.

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- When taxes were cut, 1925, 1980's, guesswho did worse? Yea, the poor.

Sounds like motivation to get off your ass and take steps not to be poor.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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I don't care to delve into the paranoia that this thread is

Translation: I can't spin this.... He lied and he created a new tax.

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Whatever thsi HC Law turns out to be, your fascist heroes are well at blame, wearing blinders, saying it all looks good.

Translation: I can't defend, so I will make attacks and call people names.

[rushmc 23]

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I don't care to delve into the paranoia that this thread is,

hahaha.

This thread isn't about HC, it's about denying passing a tax, and then admitting what everyone knew all along.

Bush tried this in 1988, and we saw how that worked out for him in the following election.

Which is one of the three lies that could be attached in this conversation

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln