How would I prove I'm leagle?

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Just try challenging a cop's sworn statement that your brake light was out, or you were doing 33 in a 25 limit, before a municipal court judge.

One of the things I have learned from these AZ threads is that the obvious solution to the problem of corrupt cops is to not have any laws that they can abuse. So of course the problem in your example is that there was a speed limit and that there was a law about having working brake lights. If we do away with these laws, then the cops can no longer screw you over them. Problem solved.

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So the state's claim that citizens don't need to carry ID is false, if they look Hispanic and drive in from NM.

If they are driving, they need to carry a driver's license, just like anyone else.


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Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification, provided the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance*.

a NM driver's license doesn't count. Which brings us back to: So the state's claim that citizens don't need to carry ID is false, if they look Hispanic and drive in from NM.

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But in most jurisdictions I highly doubt YOU would get pulled over for Driving While White.... its a moot point.

In many places profiling happens all the time.. most LEO will claim it does not happen but its a reality in this country

Oh, I am sure that racial profiling happens. And it's probably good that this AZ bill has put that in the spotlight. Maybe it will encourage some changes.

What I think is misguided though, is claiming that this bill (in itself) is racist. If the cops enforcing the bill (and any of AZ's other laws) are racist and it's affecting their job, then that seems to be the problem that needs to be addressed.

Or if there are other issues with the AZ bill, such as we don't really want such strict enforcement of immigration laws, then that should be addressed. I'm actually a bleeding-heart liberal who wants to let just about anybody into the country, but I prefer to just say that rather than going on about this bill being racist when it is not.

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a NM driver's license doesn't count.

It counts as a driver's license. A person gets pulled over for a valid reason (brake light out), produces a valid NM driver's license, vehicle insurance and registration. If they have all of that stuff, then they will probably have no reason to prove anything else.

The law specifically states that being Hispanic is not "reasonable suspicion" for them to have to prove that they are in the country legally.

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Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification, provided the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance*.

a NM driver's license doesn't count.

Incorrect.

According to the NM DMV, they require:
Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state or territory of the United States (note: Hospital birth records do not qualify as birth certificates)
- Original or certified copy of a foreign birth certificate with a notarized English translation
- Original official copy of an FS545 or FS 1350 form certifying birth abroad and translated into English
- Affidavit of Indian birth
- N560 certificate of citizenship
- N550 certificate of naturalization
- Valid permanent resident card issued by the United States Government
- Court order for name change, gender change, adoption or divorce, as long as it includes the legal name, date of birth and court seal
- Marriage certificate issued by a state or territory of the United States

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Which brings us back to: So the state's claim that citizens don't need to carry ID is false, if they look Hispanic and drive in from NM.

See above.

Mike
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I'm actually a bleeding-heart liberal who wants to let just about anybody into the country,

Sure, as long as they can stay with you and you feed and clothe them.

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If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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I'm actually a bleeding-heart liberal who wants to let just about anybody into the country,

Sure, as long as they can stay with you and you feed and clothe them.

Most of the immigrants I've met seem to be taking pretty good care of themselves. And any of them who have tasted my cooking would probably prefer to just feed themselves. And clothes are so overrated.

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Oh, right. Just try challenging a cop's sworn statement that your brake light was out, or you were doing 33 in a 25 limit, before a municipal court judge.

Has that happened to you, or are you just fear mongering?

See you could do a freedom of information act and get the video from the car.... That would tell you if a light was out.

But please... Tell me, have you been pulled over for a broken taillight and then arrested for "driving while X"?????

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How would I prove I'm leagle?

Learn how to spell first?

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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Oh, right. Just try challenging a cop's sworn statement that your brake light was out, or you were doing 33 in a 25 limit, before a municipal court judge.

Has that happened to you, or are you just fear mongering?

See you could do a freedom of information act and get the video from the car.... That would tell you if a light was out.

But please... Tell me, have you been pulled over for a broken taillight and then arrested for "driving while X"?????

I've been pulled over for a traffic offense that wasn't. Advised by attorney not to contest it since she said the judge always believes the cop in a "he said she said" case.

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Actually, Carmen has a point

Never said otherwise, I just asked him to back it with more than a bumper sticker.

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It's a semi-serious joke, call it an open secret, if you will, that police not infrequently stop "certain" people for "DWB" - "driving while black".

And you know those types of charges have to be proven in court and are not just accepted.

Oh, right. Just try challenging a cop's sworn statement that your brake light was out, or you were doing 33 in a 25 limit, before a municipal court judge.

I figure that in my 25+ year career, between those I've handled, and those I've watched from the gallery, I've witnessed at least a few hundred traffic cases in court. Never - not once - have I seen an acquittal based on the judge being willing to reject the officer's credibility.

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I'm thinking the increase in dash cams and voice recorders on the police are making the 'bogus stops' a lot more rare - just my opinion, though.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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When the police stop someone, they'd better have that camera rolling and the person being stopped had better be ready for their 'close-up', too. Those dash-cams have proven themselves invaluable to not just police.


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and you better have your shit together, boy.

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I'm actually a bleeding-heart liberal who wants to let just about anybody into the country,

Sure, as long as they can stay with you and you feed and clothe them.

Most of the immigrants I've met seem to be taking pretty good care of themselves. And any of them who have tasted my cooking would probably prefer to just feed themselves. And clothes are so overrated.

They are on you . . . it me and others like me that they need to stay firmly affixed to.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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