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kallend 2,231
Quote>The fact is that you don't know shniz...and you know it.
You may not know "shniz" but a lot of people do know quite a lot about how the universe was formed. Heck, just knowing how old it is is huge. We also know how the universe formed with great accuracy back through the hadron epoch, which tells us what happens back through the first millisecond of the universe's life.
>and it be best that you figure a way to fit faith into your mathematics
>while you're refiguring everything out, or you'll never know the
>truth....Period.
And if you confuse religion and science, you may handicap yourself and never be able to understand how our universe works. There is no need to 'fit' faith into math, any more than the Bible must have math 'fit' into it before it has any validity.
According to I Kings 7:23-26, pi = 3 exactly. Maybe pi has changed over the years.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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Coreece 190
QuoteGreat way of using the easiest way out of any argument.
Well you certainly weren't talking about me. We clearly have a different prespective on Christianity. You say I'm bitter, but your words come across as being the most bitter person here.
QuoteExcept I don't waste my life, I do what I want and live it how I want. That's not wasting.
I don't waste my life either...give me a break.
QuoteI don't have to worry about asking for forgiveness
It's not a waste to ask for forgiveness if you are wrong, and it's not a waste to forgive.
QuoteI can lust over whom I please without guilt.
We can see all the damage and heart-ache lust causes in all of it's forms.
It's not a waste to have a meaningful relationship with one person that is not based on sex, or just getting what I want out of it.
QuoteI can be jealous
It's not a waste to be happy with what you have.
We can clearly see the strife jealousy can cause.
QuoteIn fact, I quite enjoy sinning.
I know, and it's probably the number one reason you're an apostate.
QuoteThough it's not even about what one does with their freedom, it's that they have the option to.
I have the option to sin every day, and I do. The difference between me and you is that I want to change...I see the damage it all causes, not only for me but for everyone else. It's hard, but I try to suffer through it...The Christian life is that of discipline, and I have a very long way to go.
...and there is nothing at all wasteful or wrong with discipline.
QuoteWhat happens if I'm wrong and you're right... I burn in hell, but at least lived my prior life how I wanted. What if you're wrong? You rot and spent your only life worshipping a non-existent God.
Now that is such a ridiculous way of looking at it, but if you're going to use that logic, at least be fair and pick the right choice...
I want to say I understand your dilema...I do, but that means absolutely nothing. I cannot afford to have a prespective like yours.
You have your reasons and I have mine.
I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, man...I pray that you will someday feel the joy and freedom of the Lord that I do.
I'm not trying to be condecending...I know you enjoy life as you know it.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Coreece 190
QuoteYou may not know "shniz" but a lot of people do know quite a lot about how the universe was formed.
well we all know you are very knowledgable...I was talking in the sense that there are new theories that cause us to question almost everything we already know, and I don't think that's a bad thing for science...it's how it should be.
QuoteAnd if you confuse religion and science, you may handicap yourself and never be able to understand how our universe works.
perhaps...I can understand why faith shouldn't be confused with science.
It's just when I hear some of the theories and discoveries, it interests me, and it's not too long before I start to correlate them with God...It's just interesting to think about...but I understand that doesn't really mean anything because even if we could detect the Spirit of God, (say "dark" matter for instance) we could probably study it, maybe even understand the principles behind it, but we'll never be able to know it as God. We'll never be able to know God and relate to Him except through faith.
I know I'm starting to babble, but I guess my point is that one can have faith and still be a dedicated, true scientist.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
billvon 3,179
>I was talking in the sense that there are new theories that cause us to
>question almost everything we already know, and I don't think that's a bad
>thing for science.
Well, a theory may indeed come along that makes us do that - but most new theories simply explain the universe better than the old ones.
Take Newtonian mechanics. Sufficient to explain the motion of the planets in the Solar system, the ballistics of cannonballs and the tides. There were some minor errors, which we later learned were attributable to relativistic effects. But the discovery of relativity did not cause us to "question" Newtonian mechanics - it just refined our understanding.
The same thing happens in religion, albeit for different reasons. The Council of Nicaea changed some very basic things about Christianity, including exactly who Jesus was (a god? A figurative son of God? A literal son of God?) But I don't think it's accurate to say that that council caused people to "question almost everything they already knew" about Christianity - it was just a refinement of definitions, creeds, dates etc.
>but I guess my point is that one can have faith and still be a dedicated, true scientist.
Oh, absolutely. There's nothing in religion that prevents one from being a scientist, and nothing in science that prevents one from being a devout Christian - provided that the two are not conflated.
>question almost everything we already know, and I don't think that's a bad
>thing for science.
Well, a theory may indeed come along that makes us do that - but most new theories simply explain the universe better than the old ones.
Take Newtonian mechanics. Sufficient to explain the motion of the planets in the Solar system, the ballistics of cannonballs and the tides. There were some minor errors, which we later learned were attributable to relativistic effects. But the discovery of relativity did not cause us to "question" Newtonian mechanics - it just refined our understanding.
The same thing happens in religion, albeit for different reasons. The Council of Nicaea changed some very basic things about Christianity, including exactly who Jesus was (a god? A figurative son of God? A literal son of God?) But I don't think it's accurate to say that that council caused people to "question almost everything they already knew" about Christianity - it was just a refinement of definitions, creeds, dates etc.
>but I guess my point is that one can have faith and still be a dedicated, true scientist.
Oh, absolutely. There's nothing in religion that prevents one from being a scientist, and nothing in science that prevents one from being a devout Christian - provided that the two are not conflated.
Coreece 190
Quote...the discovery of relativity did not cause us to "question" Newtonian mechanics - it just refined our understanding.
The same thing happens in religion, albeit for different reasons.
Understood, but in Christianity anything that denies the diety of Christ would need to rejected because the whole "equation" would fall apart. It would be like allowing faith to be worked into the equations of science.
(...and from your other post:)
QuoteAnd if you confuse religion and science, you may handicap yourself and never be able to understand how our universe works.
well, it's just like many sports...we can't be great at all of them all the time and not everyone is equal so everyone has a handicap.
So, you can spot me like 10 points for my scientic handicap, and I'll spot you 10 points for your Christian handicap.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
You may not know "shniz" but a lot of people do know quite a lot about how the universe was formed. Heck, just knowing how old it is is huge. We also know how the universe formed with great accuracy back through the hadron epoch, which tells us what happens back through the first millisecond of the universe's life.
>and it be best that you figure a way to fit faith into your mathematics
>while you're refiguring everything out, or you'll never know the
>truth....Period.
And if you confuse religion and science, you may handicap yourself and never be able to understand how our universe works. There is no need to 'fit' faith into math, any more than the Bible must have math 'fit' into it before it has any validity.
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