Truth for Today 7/10/10

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I am calling you on your insult to him
If you find that insulting so be it

He never aimed one comment at you
YOU cant say the same

I disagree. There was a vague accusation in there that we have some evil which needs to be replaced by scripture.

And it is quite laughable that we need to not conform to the world, but instead need to conform to their religion.

Posts like the OP are basically ancient writings tossed out as dogmatic fundie diatribe.

I do agree that if it works for someone, and they cause no harm to others, good on them. But assuming it is for everyone, or that everyone needs it, or pushing it like a door-to-door salesman is about as hypocritical as it gets.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Thanks. If they were keeping them to them selves, I for one would not feel the need to comment.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[JohnnyMarko 1]

And I dont want to sound harsh to you personally (I dont know you, duh) but not all Christians/religious people are the "in-your-face, repent now, sinners are going to hell!" kind of people

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If the intent to learn is there, then a an argument can be a good tool. But if its someone like Bill Mehr in Religulous(sp?) going to the "Truck Stop Chapel" to simply bash Christians and make them look stupid, and not really there to learn, then thats what I feel is wrong.

What if the intent is to learn how Ridiculous some beliefs are when ancient mythical stories are taken so literally?

There are a lot of Ridiculous beliefs out there. (Virgin births, zombies, flying reindeer, walking on water, etc.) Understanding them as stories told to convey a message is one thing; believing them to be literally true is Ridiculous.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Not too harsh mate .. I understand. It's the fundie... in-your-face ones that I'm concerned about, really (that goes both ways too).

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[JohnnyMarko 1]

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Understanding them as stories told to convey a message is one thing; believing them to be literally true is Ridiculous.

Not all people take these stories to be literal.

[jakee 1,649]

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I think if you wanna post feel good religous stuff then go ahead and post it in bonfire. If you post stuff like that here, you might not wanna be too surprised if some one has a different opinion.

The site specifically says to post religious stuff here in SC and not in the Bonfire. But yeah, since this is a place for discussion, expect to have people disagree with you.

Having people disagree with you is one thing. Belittling you is another thing all together

What about the OP? The clear inference in the quotes is that if you're not a proper, dedicated Christian your life is full of evil.

Do you judge that opinion by the same standard?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JohnnyMarko 1]

I think the Bible verses were intended for other Christians...non believers shouldnt care what the OP quoted because its from the Bible

[jakee 1,649]

The OP said it was truth. Not just truth for Christians, unqualified truth for everyone.

Regardless of which, non-believers are free to care or not care as they wish. And if someone wants to take issue with a non-believer responding to the believer, they should judge the believer by the same standard.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Having people disagree with you is one thing. Belittling you is another thing all together

True. But having posted in SC for a while, I've seen very few threads that weren't full of people belittling or otherwise just being nasty toward each other.

If I wanted to have a deep, serious conversation about something that was highly personal to me, I don't think I would bother to try it here. Especially if it was a topic that I would be hurt or offended by people disagreeing with me in a rude and unthoughtful manner.

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--Know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

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Or you could go with a reality based life.

Yes, that is something you should think about. Since insulting anothers beliefs is what you are choosing to do today

Why, it's the exact same thing he's doing. Expressing a belief. You're doing what you're criticizing him for.

NO
I am calling you on your insult to him
If you find that insulting so be it

He never aimed one comment at you
YOU cant say the same

1) I didn't insult him. In fact, I commended him on gathering strength from that belief.
2) I don't find your post insulting, although I find your reaction laughable - and horribly misplaced.
3) If he wasn't aiming the comment at 'us', the collective forum, why did he post it here?
4) What I was actually commenting on, in the post you quoted, was your reaction to a poster that was exactly what you were accusing him of.

You simply cannot state opinion as 'truth'. That much is a fact.

It's no different than me posting "God doesn't exist". I can't prove, or disprove his existence. I can only offer my opinion on it.

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Yes you did ( I am agreeing wity your responce to me just to be clear)
You responded to my comment to jclalor. That is where I got crossed up.

His comment "Or you could go with a reality based life" was the snide remark I posted to. (I have to wonder is his reality the only one worth living?)

Sorry for my confusion.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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--Know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

---So what IS the truth?

[RonD1120 62]

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--Know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

---So what IS the truth?

I am glad you asked. " All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." II Tim 3:16
and especially "Jesus is the Truth, the way and the life." John 14:6

That is a good start, and it gets a lot better .


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[jakee 1,649]

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I keep stats on my OP's and those expressing Christian truth have a vast outweighing of readers to responders. Take this one for example, compare the views to responses.

So what?

Christian Truth: 9.7 views per 1 response
English shotguns: 15.8:1
Obama primary fraud: 17.6:1
The world cup: 11.2:1
Global cooling: 23.6:1

In fact, the average views per response on all non-sticky threads on the front page is 11:1. Turns out that the users of this forum are actually less interested in quietly contemplating this Christian message than they are in the rest of the forum content.

By your measure, it seems that more people are in need of guns, junk science and partisan politics than of spiritual fulfillment.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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more people are in need of use guns, junk science and partisan politics than of to acieve spiritual fulfillment.

fixie.

[RonD1120 62]

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I keep stats on my OP's and those expressing Christian truth have a vast outweighing of readers to responders. Take this one for example, compare the views to responses.

So what?

Christian Truth: 9.7 views per 1 response
English shotguns: 15.8:1
Obama primary fraud: 17.6:1
The world cup: 11.2:1
Global cooling: 23.6:1

In fact, the average views per response on all non-sticky threads on the front page is 11:1. Turns out that the users of this forum are actually less interested in quietly contemplating this Christian message than they are in the rest of the forum content.

By your measure, it seems that more people are in need of guns, junk science and partisan politics than of spiritual fulfillment.

As I stated above and reiterate now, you just do not understand.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,649]

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As I stated above and reiterate now, you just do not understand.

I don't think I'll ever understand people like you, but I've no problem with that.

Seems fairly clear that you don't understand either stats or how people use internet forums, though.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[maadmax 0]

--Know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

---So what IS the truth?


I am glad you asked. " All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." II Tim 3:16
and especially "Jesus is the Truth, the way and the life." John 14:6

That is a good start, and it gets a lot better .




Y'think?


O' Hell Yes!! Without a doubt




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I don't think I'll ever understand people like you, but I've no problem with that.

I used to feel the same way, and though I normally would say you remind me of myself, you do seem to have a tight grip on worldly logic that, I have to admit, supasses most....that may be your downfall.

...not that that makes you any better than us, no matter how much you may feel it does.

I'd have to also admit that your inference was quite impressive, though that's not what I meant nor, I believe, the spiritual truth God intended to convey. I don't think I ever would've came up with that from that particular truth, even as a student theologian/expositor. For some reason God allows me to learn from you...one of those "mysterious ways" things I guess...

In retrospect it is rather quite obvious, isn't it? I gotta learn to catch these things, you know?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Coreece 190]

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lot of them continue to preach too much for me NOW. I don't want or need it.

It's not for you, we are just trying to find those who believe...

There is a whole mess of ungodly atrocsities that Christians have to endure in this world, wether it's imprisonment or death by religious bigots and ignoramuses, from friends or loved ones, from the city streets, from MTV or Comedy Central, the History Channel, Long Beach California, TV commercials, War, Sports, Internet forums, FOX, MSNBC, The American Taliban....watever.

...But we shouldn't be suprised, I wonder why we even try to fight it, especially through political means....It's not out mandate. Our mandate is to preach Christ.

The last thing I want is to force someone to believe and shove it down their throat as to create basely converts....haven't we learned?

And for anyone that just says to shut up and keep the truth to yourself...that is the most ridiculous cowardly thing I've ever heard! We'd be gone within less than a generation.

We didn't come 2000+ years by just shutting up!

I will continue to preach the Word with love, but not by mitigating it's basic precepts.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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There is a whole mess of ungodly atrocsities that Christians have to endure in this world, wether it's imprisonment or death by religious bigots and ignoramuses, from friends or loved ones, from the city streets, from MTV or Comedy Central, the History Channel, Long Beach California, TV commercials, War, Sports, Internet forums, FOX, MSNBC, The American Taliban....watever.

We all have our list of bad things that we have to endure in this world, Christian or not.

Out here, there are countless Christian churches, Christian radio stations and TV shows, etc. I think most people (like myself) just ignore them if we're not interested. I don't open the door for the church folks who come knocking, because I find that annoying, but that is the same for any other solicitor.

In the U.S. at least, I'm fairly certain that Christians are not being persecuted (as a group) in any way. Yes, there are people who won't understand you and who will mock you, but I believe that is human nature and not special for Christianity. Almost any group of people will be mocked by others who are different and who don't understand them.

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There is a whole mess of ungodly atrocsities that some Christians have to endure been responsible for in this world, wether it's imprisonment or death by religious bigots and ignoramuses, from friends or loved ones, from the city streets, from MTV or Comedy Central, the History Channel, Long Beach California, TV commercials, War, Sports, Internet forums, FOX, MSNBC, The American Taliban....watever.
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[sigh] - but it's a good thing that YOU have good in you... I'm all for that.

2000 years is but a heart beat in the history of Man... we survived for millenia BEFORE Christianity and could continue to do so.

Gods don't make us good ... WE do.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Understanding them as stories told to convey a message is one thing; believing them to be literally true is Ridiculous.

Not all people take these stories to be literal.

I know that; and usually make it quite clear that my disgust is aimed at those that do - not because I care if they want to be ignorant dark-age morons on their own time - but because of their stickers-in-textbooks approach to working so hard to increase rather than decrease the number of ignorant humans.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley