Finally Palin has found her appropriate demographic

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I thought he was still busy scrubbing all the 'uhs' and 'ers' out of Obama's books?

Yes, yes, keep pretending the man isn't the best speaker that's sat in The Oval Office since Reagan.

So long as his teleprompter stays up, sure.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100709/ap_on_en_ot/us_palin_for_tweens

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this is the best you progressives can do??
lets talk about Odumbo the president of the United States and doesn't know how many states he is representing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Can you say deja vu? 'Cause you invoked this same breathtakingly silly talking point in another thread just a few days ago.

Anyhow:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

Yes, it *was* silly for Obama to say 57 states.

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Or maybe "let's talk" about Obama being the President of the Law Review at Harvard Law School and a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School

Well, his name was on the masthead - still haven't seen anything he actually *wrote* while he was there.

As for the constitutional law thing, he's evidently not so well-versed as you think, since he urged Congress to write legislation to 'strongly respond' to Citizens United.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama#Chicago_community_organizer_and_Harvard_Law_School

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Palin bouncing around 4 different colleges in 5 different sessions.

*What* were Obama's grades, again? Where's a copy of his thesis?

*crickets*

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No, it doesn't. The idea that maing fun of a politician means that you're afraid of how good they really are is absolutely absurd.

Are you willing to admit that you spent years being afraid of, say, Ted Kennedy.

Kennedy was a Senator for decades. Palin was a VP candidate for 6 months, and, more importantly to the discussion, *hasn't* been a VP candidate since '08.

And yet, *still* all this energy is being spent to discredit someone that they swear was never a threat to begin with.

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No, it doesn't. The idea that maing fun of a politician means that you're afraid of how good they really are is absolutely absurd.

Are you willing to admit that you spent years being afraid of, say, Ted Kennedy.

Kennedy was a Senator for decades. Palin was a VP candidate for 6 months, and, more importantly to the discussion, *hasn't* been a VP candidate since '08.

And yet, *still* all this energy is being spent to discredit someone that they swear was never a threat to begin with.

Gee Mikeee way to support a quitter that has problems with actually finishing things in life.

I prefer to support people who are successful at endeavors they take on in life.

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I do think it's kind of bullshit how he got his way through WWII, but I guess somebody had to stay home and look good in the training films.

Where is the bullshit in being classified for in country service only due to vision? I've seen nothing to indicate this was a politically driven classification. People (his detractors) like to make fun of him for playing soldier, but that was a need to pay for the war. Also seems as tacky as making fun of FDR as less of a man because he was in a wheel chair.

The irony, of course, is you started the post talking about Clinton, who would be the definition of bullshit for draft dodging were it not for his successor.

On subject, you seem to prefer judging them on technical merit. On that, Obama would be the best speaker. But personally I think effectiveness matters far more, and Reagan and Clinton succeeded there. While it's too early to call, I think Obama's failure to deliver on his beautiful speeches lead to people increasingly taking them less seriously...all hat, no cattle.

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I do think it's kind of bullshit how he got his way through WWII, but I guess somebody had to stay home and look good in the training films.

Where is the bullshit in being classified for in country service only due to vision?

I'll admit he wore contacts, but I'm fairly certain anyone of a number of people that wore glasses went overseas.

He certainly wasn't blind.


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I've seen nothing to indicate this was a politically driven classification.

Not political -- CELEBRITARD.

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Or maybe "let's talk" about Obama being the President of the Law Review at Harvard Law School and a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
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they must give out those Harvard degrees the same way they hand out Nobel Peace prizes...I would not try and brag about his diploma after the way he is making idiotic statements like the one i pointed out.

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Or maybe "let's talk" about Obama being the President of the Law Review at Harvard Law School and a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
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they must give out those Harvard degrees the same way they hand out Nobel Peace prizes...I would not try and brag about his diploma after the way he is making idiotic statements like the one i pointed out.

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They? Who are "they"?

Where did you get your doctoral degree?

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Or maybe "let's talk" about Obama being the President of the Law Review at Harvard Law School and a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
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they must give out those Harvard degrees the same way they hand out Nobel Peace prizes...I would not try and brag about his diploma after the way he is making idiotic statements like the one i pointed out.

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They? Who are "they"?

Where did you get your doctoral degree?

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where did Obama get a phd?

Actually, at one time, the basic law degree was an LLB, or Bachelor of Legal Letters, followed by the LLM, Master of Legal Letters, followed by the LLD, Doctorate of Legal Letters. However, lawyers, being egotistical, decided that if mere physicians could call themselves "doctor" then they should be able to also. So, they changed the LLB to the JD, Juris Doctorate. What a surprise!! Lawyers got big egos. Who knew?

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Palin was a VP candidate for 6 months, and, more importantly to the discussion, *hasn't* been a VP candidate since '08.

Which doesn't mean that she instantly stopped being a high-vis political figure when McCain conceded.

I'm also wondering if you're completely oblivious to modern celebrity culture? People who come second in American Idol are still splashed over a dozen tabloid magazines years later - not really a surprise that a publicity hungry woman who came second in the VP race is still talked about.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Palin was a VP candidate for 6 months, and, more importantly to the discussion, *hasn't* been a VP candidate since '08.

Which doesn't mean that she instantly stopped being a high-vis political figure when McCain conceded.

No, that's true - the attempts to discredit her *have*, of course, continued to this day.

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I'm also wondering if you're completely oblivious to modern celebrity culture? People who come second in American Idol are still splashed over a dozen tabloid magazines years later -

Oblivious of it, no - just don't give a shit about it.

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not really a surprise that a publicity hungry woman

Publicity hungry? Can you point me to the op-eds where they were chortling about her coming to the newsroom, begging them to do stories on her?

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who came second in the VP race is still talked about.

Yes, all those stories about what Edwards had for breakfast, what he wore to a meeting that day.... SO tiring.

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No, that's true - the attempts to discredit her *have*, of course, continued to this day.

Because she keeps popping up in the public eye to this day. See the story from the first post

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Oblivious of it, no - just don't give a shit about it.

Then why care about who says what with Palin?

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Publicity hungry? Can you point me to the op-eds where they were chortling about her coming to the newsroom, begging them to do stories on her?

Fuck are you talking about?

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Yes, all those stories about what Edwards had for breakfast, what he wore to a meeting that day.... SO tiring.

John Edwards is boring. What you and rush seem to have a problem with is realising that there are not just two sides of a coin labelled 'boring' and 'scary'.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Or maybe "let's talk" about Obama being the President of the Law Review at Harvard Law School and a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
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they must give out those Harvard degrees the same way they hand out Nobel Peace prizes...I would not try and brag about his diploma after the way he is making idiotic statements like the one i pointed out.

Very well; since you seem to have developed an expertise in idiotic statements, who am I to argue?

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No, that's true - the attempts to discredit her *have*, of course, continued to this day.

Because she keeps popping up in the public eye to this day. See the story from the first post

Katherine Kerr giving an interview != Sarah Palin giving an interview.

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Publicity hungry? Can you point me to the op-eds where they were chortling about her coming to the newsroom, begging them to do stories on her?

Fuck are you talking about?

YOU are the one that is asserting she's "publicity hungry", you figure it out.

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Yes, all those stories about what Edwards had for breakfast, what he wore to a meeting that day.... SO tiring.

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John Edwards is boring.

Palin would be as boring if the media didn't keep bringing her into the spotlight.

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What you and rush seem to have a problem with is realising that there are not just two sides of a coin labelled 'boring' and 'scary'.

"You and rush" - I can't speak for rush, but DO kindly show where I've espoused 'boring' or 'scary', thanks. Maybe you should look a bit more closely at the coin YOU'RE using.

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Because she keeps popping up in the public eye to this day. See the story from the first post

Katherine Kerr giving an interview != Sarah Palin giving an interview.

Sigh. Since I have to baby-step you through everything... Did you happen to notice what the story was about? It was about a book written about Sarah Palin. A book by (some probably rather strange) people who think she's a role model, not by people out to discredit her because she's a big scary republican.

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YOU are the one that is asserting she's "publicity hungry", you figure it out.

You do realise how a person can be self publicising without being a desperate crazy person busting into newspaper offices and TV stations, right?

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Palin would be as boring if the media didn't keep bringing her into the spotlight.

No, she wouldn't. She is an inherently interesting, media friendly personality.

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"You and rush" - I can't speak for rush, but DO kindly show where I've espoused 'boring' or 'scary', thanks. Maybe you should look a bit more closely at the coin YOU'RE using.

Rush jumped into the thread saying she scares the hell out of Lucky. You jumped in saying that the left thinks she's a threat because they talk about her so much.

Hence, neither of you seem to understand that a politician can be interesting and fun to talk about without being taken seriously.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Because she keeps popping up in the public eye to this day. See the story from the first post

Katherine Kerr giving an interview != Sarah Palin giving an interview.

Sigh. Since I have to baby-step you through everything... Did you happen to notice what the story was about? It was about a book written about Sarah Palin. A book by (some probably rather strange) people who think she's a role model, not by people out to discredit her because she's a big scary republican.

Since I have to baby-step you through everything, did you happen to notice that I didn't say THIS story was an attempt to discredit Palin? (Lucky and other's comments aside, of course).

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YOU are the one that is asserting she's "publicity hungry", you figure it out.

You do realise how a person can be self publicising without being a desperate crazy person busting into newspaper offices and TV stations, right?

You *do* realize that you're using a news article that Palin didn't request to try to prove that Palin is seeking publicity, right?

Either she's 'publicity hungry' and trying to get herself into the news or she's not. Which is it?

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"You and rush" - I can't speak for rush, but DO kindly show where I've espoused 'boring' or 'scary', thanks. Maybe you should look a bit more closely at the coin YOU'RE using.

Rush jumped into the thread saying she scares the hell out of Lucky. You jumped in saying that the left thinks she's a threat because they talk about her so much.

Correction - I say that the left must think she's a threat because they're STILL trying to discredit her - and they are.

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Hence, neither of you seem to understand that a politician can be interesting and fun to talk about without being taken seriously.

Chris Matthews stated she would 'be destroyed' if she ran in '12. Late in June, Matthews asked his panel if Palin was 'the most important Republican in the country right now' - the week AFTER stating that views like hers could cause another OKC bombing. The MSM are *still* bringing up quotes from her during the campaign.

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Since I have to baby-step you through everything, did you happen to notice that I didn't say THIS story was an attempt to discredit Palin?

I didn't say that you did. Your tireless efforts at misdirection are admirable, but not really constructive.

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You *do* realize that you're using a news article that Palin didn't request to try to prove that Palin is seeking publicity, right?

No I'm not. It's the nature of internet forums that you can be carrying on more than one line of conversation at once. Get to grips with that, and you might start to find this place a little less confusing.

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Either she's 'publicity hungry' and trying to get herself into the news or she's not. Which is it?

Where exactly do you think I said she wasn't trying to get into the news? I'll ask again: You do realise how a person can be self publicising without being a desperate crazy person busting into newspaper offices and TV stations, right?

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Correction - I say that the left must think she's a threat because they're STILL trying to discredit her - and they are.

More like pointing out where she discredits herself, a lot of the time. But basically, it's because she's fun to talk about, and she keeps herself in the news. Which makes people keep talking about her, which makes it easy for her to get publicity, which makes people keep talking about her etc. etc. I already pointed out to you that this is how celeb culture works. I don't give a shit about it either but I can recognise the pattern.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Either she's 'publicity hungry' and trying to get herself into the news or she's not. Which is it?

Where exactly do you think I said she wasn't trying to get into the news? I'll ask again: You do realise how a person can be self publicising without being a desperate crazy person busting into newspaper offices and TV stations, right?

Go us one better, mate - how about you show where she's 'self-publicizing' so you can make your point about how she's 'publicity hungry'.

So 'publicity hungry' that she's not making the interview rounds on Larry King, Tonight Show etc etc etc, but hey...she's still just *starving* for that media attention!!

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Correction - I say that the left must think she's a threat because they're STILL trying to discredit her - and they are.

More like pointing out where she discredits herself, a lot of the time.

I'm sure you think so. Odd, how someone who's supposedly so discredited gets so many liberal commentators talking about her chances in '12, isn't it?

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But basically, it's because she's fun to talk about, and she keeps herself in the news.

You keep saying that - still waiting on proof.

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Go us one better, mate - how about you show where she's 'self-publicizing' so you can make your point about how she's 'publicity hungry'.

I don't really see what the point would be, since you don't seem to recognise any levels between total seclusion and turning up to news offices begging for column inches.

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So 'publicity hungry' that she's not making the interview rounds on Larry King, Tonight Show etc etc etc

She doesn't need to. She's got her own TV show(s).

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But basically, it's because she's fun to talk about, and she keeps herself in the news.

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You keep saying that - still waiting on proof.

She works for Fox News. Clue's in the name.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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She doesn't need to. She's got her own TV show(s).

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She works for Fox News. Clue's in the name.

I was aware of the Alaska miniseries but, you know, I can't seem to find the 'Sarah Palin show' on Fox (it *is* on Fox, right?)...can you point me to it? What time slot is it in?

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I was aware of the Alaska miniseries but, you know, I can't seem to find the 'Sarah Palin show' on Fox (it *is* on Fox, right?)...can you point me to it? What time slot is it in?

That whole 'two threads of conversation' thing letting you down again? I said she had a TV show, and I said she works for Fox.

Any such entity as the 'Sarah Palin Show' on any network is (I believe) a figment of your imagination, and so it's not really my responsibility to magic it up for you, is it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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so it's not really my responsibility to magic it up for you, is it?

You've magicked up both her motivation and why she's still being talked about out of thin air, why stop now?

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Dude, that doesn't even mean anything.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Dude, that doesn't even mean anything.

That whole "two threads of conversation" thing letting you down again?

You posited her motivation for taking a job as a commentator and the motivation of those speaking about her based solely on your opinion and tried to pass it off as proof.

Made it up out of whole cloth.

Magicked it, as you put it, above.

Does that clear things up for you, or shall I use smaller words?

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That whole "two threads of conversation" thing letting you down again?

Dude, it doesn't work like that. You can't just take criticisms that have been made about you and throw them back in any old context. It has to actually fit.

When I said it to you, it was because you were taking two seperate points and pretending that I was using each as support for the other. When you say it here, it's just because you want to get a jab at me and can't think up your own material. And it doesn't fit.

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You posited her motivation for taking a job as a commentator and the motivation of those speaking about her based solely on your opinion and tried to pass it off as proof.

No, it is my opinion. However, when you seemed to indicate that her not appearing on certain TV was proof that she wasn't self publicising, then it seems logical that her having her own TV show would contradict that.

When you said she wasn't keeping herself in the news, a contract she signed to regularly appear on a news channel would contradict that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?