England: 10-Year Old Boy Allowed to Shoot Shotgun!

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If you do not introduce and train kids on how to use guns and shoot properly when they are young.....Well, they will learn how to do it on the fucking streets from a bunch of gang wannabees that do not know dick.

....Or they'll simply never use a gun.... Or they'll decide as an adult that they want to learn to use a gun, and they'll learn from someone properly.

There are lots of people who do not have guns or don't want guns in their homes, and I see no reason why they should be required to teach their children how to use one.

[nigel99 651]

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So I don't really understand your comparison? It's not a firearm so how does that make it more liberal?

Sorry the sarcasm was lost in the forum. It fall under "firearm laws" and by extension it is a firearm. I am under no illusion that the US has a "gun culture" whereas the UK doesn't. At times the evangelical obsessing about UK gun crime/laws pisses me off, other times I simply find it funny. I am sorely tempted to post booby pictures to each and every gun thread in SC - to reinforce WE have freedoms that you are denied.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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I'd be interested to know what freedoms GB has that the States does not.

Straight off the top of my head I can't think of any.

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I simply find it funny. I am sorely tempted to post booby pictures to each and every gun thread in SC - to reinforce WE have freedoms that you are denied.

You are not allowed to do that, unless YOUR freedoms overwrite the T&C of DZ.com. Go ahead, try it.

What freedoms does the UK have that the States does not?

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We have the right to remain silent ..... never known an American that could DO that

What? .... what?

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[nigel99 651]

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I simply find it funny. I am sorely tempted to post booby pictures to each and every gun thread in SC - to reinforce WE have freedoms that you are denied.

You are not allowed to do that, unless YOUR freedoms overwrite the T&C of DZ.com. Go ahead, try it.

What freedoms does the UK have that the States does not?

Number 1 - go down to a newsagent and buy the Sun - open to Page 3. Go to the USA and search high and low for a mainstream newspaper where public displays of titties are allowed.

Number 2 - go to a number of places in the USA and try and buy alcohol you will not be able to (dry counties - I realise are not everywhere but I believe it is about 10% of the USA).
2b) drinking between 18 and 21 (18 is an adult in most legal contexts)

Number 3 - Data protection act, I am pretty certain that "we" have more protection of our personal data than the US do. Granted our government spies on us prolifically and probably more than any other nation on earth.

Finally - I am in no doubt that the USA have freedoms that we don't have in the UK.

I didn't realise that Boobies were forbidden in SC - is that specifically for our Iranian and US visitors? I really do question your statement though as there have been chicks with guns threads in SC before.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Number 1 - go down to a newsagent and buy the Sun - open to Page 3. Go to the USA and search high and low for a mainstream newspaper where public displays of titties are allowed.

I like boobs, can't argue you on that

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Number 3 - Data protection act, I am pretty certain that "we" have more protection of our personal data than the US do. Granted our government spies on us prolifically and probably more than any other nation on earth.

The first and second parts of your statement contradict each other

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I didn't realise that Boobies were forbidden in SC -

I not sure, I know it mentions no porn, they might consider bare boobs as porn

All the things you mentioned were just certain restrictions on said freedoms. Sort of like how freedom of speech in the UK is much more restricted than in the U.S.

[nigel99 651]

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Number 1 - go down to a newsagent and buy the Sun - open to Page 3. Go to the USA and search high and low for a mainstream newspaper where public displays of titties are allowed.

I like boobs, can't argue you on that

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Number 3 - Data protection act, I am pretty certain that "we" have more protection of our personal data than the US do. Granted our government spies on us prolifically and probably more than any other nation on earth.

The first and second parts of your statement contradict each other

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I didn't realise that Boobies were forbidden in SC -

I not sure, I know it mentions no porn, they might consider bare boobs as porn

All the things you mentioned were just certain restrictions on said freedoms. Sort of like how freedom of speech in the UK is much more restricted than in the U.S.

Yes it is a contradiction - we have the data protection act that means that our personal data is "more protected" than in most parts of the world. However this is in practice limited to commercial and foreign governments (although I believe the UK gov extended "special" privileges to the US government that technically breach the rules). I believe that the government is supposed to abide by the DPA however it is unlikely that they do in practice.

Aren't "restrictions" on freedoms largely what we are talking about. I would hazard a guess that across most of the western world there are differing degrees of restriction but the same basic rules apply? I mean gun ownership is not banned in the UK there are simply restrictions in place, boobs and alcohol aren't completely banned in the US - it is just that tighter restrictions apply.

I HATE our so called "freedom of speech" here in the UK - it is partial and applied unevenly.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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...(and some of them are DAMN good shits now too)

But can they shoot?

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Number 2 - go to a number of places in the USA and try and buy alcohol you will not be able to (dry counties - I realise are not everywhere but I believe it is about 10% of the USA).
2b) drinking between 18 and 21 (18 is an adult in most legal contexts)

I don't think there are that many dry counties and there are different types of dry counties.

Type 1, the most common is where they don't allow beer stores or liquor stores, but they can server beer and liquor in restaurants and you usually don't have to drive very far to find an area that isn't dry. These are usually towns and not actual counties.

Type 2, true dry counties. They are pretty few and far between. The only ones I know of are in Mississippi. They don't allow any alcohol at all and put up road blocks to search cars for any offending alcohol. People still smuggle beer into those areas for personal consumption.

I think 10% is way too high of a number. It might be 2 or even 3%.

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Number 2 - go to a number of places in the USA and try and buy alcohol you will not be able to (dry counties - I realise are not everywhere but I believe it is about 10% of the USA).
2b) drinking between 18 and 21 (18 is an adult in most legal contexts)

I don't think there are that many dry counties and there are different types of dry counties.

Type 1, the most common is where they don't allow beer stores or liquor stores, but they can server beer and liquor in restaurants and you usually don't have to drive very far to find an area that isn't dry. These are usually towns and not actual counties.

Type 2, true dry counties. They are pretty few and far between. The only ones I know of are in Mississippi. They don't allow any alcohol at all and put up road blocks to search cars for any offending alcohol. People still smuggle beer into those areas for personal consumption.

I think 10% is way too high of a number. It might be 2 or even 3%.

10% was Wikipedia and to be honest I only learn't about them recently on a business trip I was told that I was staying in a dry county and so couldn't buy alcohol - but that I was welcome to bring my own.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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yea, been reding for a little while and post every now and then.

Life is short, eat more bacon, have more sex and jump anytime you can!!

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Type 2, true dry counties. They are pretty few and far between. The only ones I know of are in Mississippi. They don't allow any alcohol at all and put up road blocks to search cars for any offending alcohol.

If MS used those roadblocks to genetically test for inbreeding depression, half the population would be in jail.

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Supervised children should be allowed to have guns.

Children should be taught about guns. In grade 6 my school had a program that let the children shoot a bow and arrow, and an air rifle.

I thought it was a pretty good program. Parents had to sign a permission slip to allow their children to shoot the "gun".... But they didn't have to give permission for their children to shoot a bow.