JohnRich 4 #1 July 8, 2010 News:Police give shotgun licence to boy aged just TEN Police have awarded a shotgun licence to a child aged only ten, it emerged yesterday. The unnamed youngster is thought to be one of the youngest ever given permission to use a weapon. Lucy Cope, founder of Mothers Against Guns, called for the licence to be revoked. She said: 'There is no way a ten-year-old should have a shotgun - it is horrendous. Police should hang their heads in shame. The gun must be taken away and the licence revoked right now. 'I'd like to speak to that child's mother and father and the police officers who thought it was a good idea. What were they thinking? The days when young boys play Cowboys and Indians are over. Young people are dying on the street because of guns every day.' 'Police are recklessly handing gun licences out like Smarties and it is morally wrong.' Current laws allow children to apply for gun licences in the same way as adults. But officers are required to carry out extra checks, including interviewing the child and their family. Although under 18s can apply for and be granted shotgun and other firearms licences, they must be supervised by someone over 21 at all times when using the weapon - and that person must also hold a licence. The child is not allowed unrestricted access to the weapon and its safety and storage is the responsibility of the other licence holder, according to police guidance. Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1292839/Police-shotgun-licence-boy-aged-just-TEN.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2 July 8, 2010 MAG? Mothers Against Guns? Hope the fathers find a different acronym.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #3 July 8, 2010 QuoteAlthough under 18s can apply for and be granted shotgun and other firearms licences, they must be supervised by someone over 21 at all times when using the weapon - and that person must also hold a licence. The child is not allowed unrestricted access to the weapon and its safety and storage is the responsibility of the other licence holder, according to police guidance. This is similar to how it works in Illinois, the parent/guardian has to co-sign the application. It's also why it's so silly to make a big deal out of this. I think I was 13 when I got my FOID card, but that doesn't mean I had a gun rack on my bicycle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 July 8, 2010 Well, probably not larger than a 20 guage. A 410 is probably best unless he is big for his age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 July 8, 2010 Good. Gun-proof (as in teaching) the child instead of child-proofing the gun.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shward 0 #6 July 9, 2010 I personally have no problem with any child learning about guns... how, when and why to use them. They are a tool to be used with proper education and responsibility. I was personally shooting at the ripe old age of six and have never shot anyone in the street. If kids were being beat to death with baseball bats every day, would someone start a push to ban Louisville Sluggers? A gun is the tool, the fault lies with the user.Life is short, eat more bacon, have more sex and jump anytime you can!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #7 July 9, 2010 I just love the way the Daily Mail reports, a few lines into the article and WHAM, highlited is a link to the story of the gunman on the run in Northern England and how they needed to call in the SAS. Good luck and welldone to the ten year old, I hope he has many years of fun with his guns, thats if the nanny state lets him. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 July 9, 2010 This isn't that unusual, I know several youngsters with shotgun licences.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutumbo 0 #9 July 9, 2010 Quote This isn't that unusual, I know several youngsters with shotgun licences. Yeah exactly, ive had friends who receivied guns as presents at much earlier ages (welcome to western Ky), and guess what, none of them have done something stupid with them, they were shot and taken out only under supervision, taught proper handeling and use from day one, and are superbly safe with and around guns. (and some of them are DAMN good shits now too)Thanatos340(on landing rounds)-- Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 July 9, 2010 QuoteI just love the way the Daily Mail reports, a few lines into the article and WHAM, highlited is a link to the story of the gunman on the run in Northern England and how they needed to call in the SAS. Yep, just look at the emotionalism of the anti-gun spokeswoman: "Lucy Cope, founder of Mothers Against Guns, called for the licence to be revoked. She said: 'There is no way a ten-year-old should have a shotgun - it is horrendous. Police should hang their heads in shame. The gun must be taken away and the licence revoked right now. 'I'd like to speak to that child's mother and father and the police officers who thought it was a good idea. What were they thinking? The days when young boys play Cowboys and Indians are over. Young people are dying on the street because of guns every day.' 'Police are recklessly handing gun licences out like Smarties and it is morally wrong.'"There's not a single objective fact there to support her view - just rabid unfounded emotionalism. She equates a 10-year old boy's recreational shooting under his father's supervision, to a criminal thug murdering people on the street. This is the face of a gun-o-phobe... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #11 July 9, 2010 Quote England: 10-Year Old Boy Allowed to Shoot Shotgun! Well, I guess I better stay away from England. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 651 #12 July 9, 2010 Quote Quote I just love the way the Daily Mail reports, a few lines into the article and WHAM, highlited is a link to the story of the gunman on the run in Northern England and how they needed to call in the SAS. Yep, just look at the emotionalism of the anti-gun spokeswoman: "Lucy Cope, founder of Mothers Against Guns, called for the licence to be revoked. She said: 'There is no way a ten-year-old should have a shotgun - it is horrendous. Police should hang their heads in shame. The gun must be taken away and the licence revoked right now. 'I'd like to speak to that child's mother and father and the police officers who thought it was a good idea. What were they thinking? The days when young boys play Cowboys and Indians are over. Young people are dying on the street because of guns every day.' 'Police are recklessly handing gun licences out like Smarties and it is morally wrong.'"There's not a single objective fact there to support her view - just rabid unfounded emotionalism. She equates a 10-year old boy's recreational shooting under his father's supervision, to a criminal thug murdering people on the street. This is the face of a gun-o-phobe... In all reality "gun fanatics" are just as emotional. I mean just look at how excited some people get over the words "accidental discharge"I find the the US unique in its obsession with guns, and to be honest I find it very funny. I grew up in a culture where guns where prevailent but it wasn't the penis waving affair that it is in the US. Anyway horrors - an employee is taking delivery of a firearm on Monday in ENGLAND at work no less! Yes it is only a .22 calibre air rifle - but last week in the US at the clients there was a large sign about "No guns, knives or other weapons allowed" perhaps in the UK we are actual more liberal than the US Guns and boobies life can't be that bad here.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #13 July 9, 2010 QuoteYes it is only a .22 calibre air rifle That isn't considered a firearm here in the US and it doesn't require a background check. As far as I know it just requires that you be 18 to purchase? I am not even sure about that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 651 #14 July 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteYes it is only a .22 calibre air rifle That isn't considered a firearm here in the US and it doesn't require a background check. As far as I know it just requires that you be 18 to purchase? I am not even sure about that. It does not require a firearms certificate here, requires that you be over the age of 18/21 to purchase BUT it is subject to all of the 38 or so firearm regulations that exist and the police will treat any offence the same as if it were a "full blown" firearm. This is based on some basic research as I am buying the guys old air-rifle for our boys.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #15 July 9, 2010 So I don't really understand your comparison? It's not a firearm so how does that make it more liberal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 July 9, 2010 Quote A gun is the tool, the fault lies with the user. You're new here, aren't you? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #17 July 9, 2010 Hi JR, God we've come a long way!! Lucy's mantra has been around for years, unfortunately these daze she has a lot of supporters. Myself, growing up in the 50's, I would tie my .22 rifle to my bicycle and pedle down to the river to go plinking with some of my friends. Our fathers, grandfathers, uncles, significant others, Scoutmasters, and etc well versed us in gun safety from when we began to walk and talk!! We never killed anybody or each other!! Perhaps to know where I'm comming from, here's a good book!,"The Old Man and the Boy" by Robert Ruark and his followup book,"The Old Mans' Boy Grows Older" One should note Chapter 8 in the latter titled,"Same Knife; Different Boy." BTW, These books are available at your local public library, at least for now. Lucy may think they're subversive and have them pulled from the shelves!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #18 July 9, 2010 Quote Quote England: 10-Year Old Boy Allowed to Shoot Shotgun! Well, I guess I better stay away from England. Well you'd better stay away from Spain as well then as my son who is fourteen legally shoots as well Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #19 July 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote England: 10-Year Old Boy Allowed to Shoot Shotgun! Well, I guess I better stay away from England. Well you'd better stay away from Spain as well then as my son who is fourteen legally shoots as well If I have to explain the joke, it must not have been funny. (Thread title, my username...) Anyhow, I was probably shooting guns before I was ten years old. Certainly by the time I was fourteen. I think that's generally OK as long as kids are shown how to use the gun safely, not given anything too big to handle, and properly supervised until they are reasonably mature. (Assuming we're talking about kids who don't have severe mental or behavioral problems.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 July 9, 2010 Quote If I have to explain the joke, it must not have been funny. (Thread title, my username...) I got a good chuckle out of it...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #21 July 9, 2010 Sorry, It went straight over my head, I'm just glad I live in a European country with more liberal gun laws Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #22 July 10, 2010 I think it should be illegal to shoot guns anywhere. What did a gun ever do to you? I started using firearms when I was around 8 myself, but I've never shot a gun. The gun might shoot back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #23 July 10, 2010 Quote I started using firearms when I was around 8 myself, but I've never shot a gun. The gun might shoot back. You've gotta be quick on the draw and make sure you shoot it dead with the first shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #24 July 10, 2010 whoppidy-doo I started shooting .22cal at 6-7 years old. pulled the trigger on a .30-06 at 10 years old - wow. Trap shooting at 13. Hunting all through with my cousins and my uncle Shot every weekend for years at the local rod and gun club in town and then for 20 years after that. If you do not introduce and train kids on how to use guns and shoot properly when they are young.....Well, they will learn how to do it on the fucking streets from a bunch of gang wannabees that do not know dick. just like sex, drugs, religion, and growing up in general - if parents actually intervene and teach them things, they will learn. I am all for gun training as mandatory for everyone given that pretty much everyone has a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 July 10, 2010 Quotewhoppidy-doo For us, perhaps...for England, it's a big fucking deal. QuoteI am all for gun training as mandatory for everyone given that pretty much everyone has a gun. In England? Surely you jest.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
