dj123 0 #51 July 6, 2010 Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #52 July 6, 2010 >Just is the operative word in the Fifth Ammendment. Take a scenario. You and your friend both purchase health insurance. You pay into it your entire life, and live to the ripe old age of 90 without needing much from it other than basic health care. Your friend pays slightly less into his policy, but needs a heart transplant at age 50. He also lives to a ripe old age of 90. Have you both received "just compensation" for the money you have expended? If you took the health insurance company to court because your friend got more than you did while paying less, would you expect to win? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #53 July 6, 2010 QuoteNot everyone has a job they enjoy. Does that impinge on their freedom? I do subscribe to the fifth amendment. But I disagree that taxation is confiscation of private property without compensation. Wendy P. Although, that has happened in the past and is still happening now. Sometimes taxation is used as a powerful political tool and is applied under the guise of "for the common good". Sometimes the "common good" argument is so powerful that taxation and due process are bypassed altogether if enough public sentiment is mustered. Dangerous territory! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #54 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote>Outlaws are Free . . . Not for long. Quote LOL! What do you mean by that? For how long will an outlaw be Free? >all Free Men are Outlaws. Nope. If what they want to do is legal, then there is no issue with the law. LOL again!!! You have run out of argument! Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! They put their personal fortune and life on the line to ensure their Liberty. The income tax is a direct violation of our fifth ammendment right. The Founding Fathers knew this even a century before it was enacted. Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! Blue Skies, DJ There is no government in Somalia. Why don't you go live there? My property ,my family ,and my life is here. Will you as a fellow American support my bid for Freedom? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #55 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stand my ground on my property. Of course you could. And you'd (eventually) be shot and killed. Or, best case, arrested. >I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait. Uh, dude, Thomas Paine DID "just move" to the colonies! You have the same opportunity that he did. Will you avail yourself of it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #56 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote[ And how is "just compensation " achieved when one who pays no taxes is entitled to the exact same protection and services as one who pays $30,000.00? Blue Skies, DJ Because we aspire to be a just and compassionate society. Quote Just is the operative word in the Fifth Ammendment. As to "compassionate" , by all means complete any and all of your philantropist works with your own money! The Fifth says that the government can't confiscate mine for those ends. Blue Skies, DJ No! We as a society agree or disagree with governments philanthropy at the ballot box! Having said that, I believe a large percentage of the "rich" in this country really are personally compassionate and generous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #57 July 6, 2010 Quote>Just is the operative word in the Fifth Ammendment. Take a scenario. You and your friend both purchase health insurance.Quote The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. The income tax is a forcwed confiscation of my property and violates my Fifth Ammendment Rights. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #58 July 6, 2010 QuoteMy property ,my family ,and my life is here. ... so as long as you own property, have a family to care for, and roots you cannot be free. But, yes, I would be very supportive of your "Bid for Freedom", if you would sell your property, pick up your family, and move to Somalia. That's a place without a government where you, and your family, could live out your dream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #59 July 6, 2010 >The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #60 July 6, 2010 Quote>Or I could stand my ground on my property. Of course you could. And you'd (eventually) be shot and killed. Or, best case, arrested.Quote Really? In the land of the Free I'll be shot for exercising my Rights?? And so close to Independance Day!! So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #61 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #62 July 6, 2010 Quote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #63 July 6, 2010 >I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #64 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #65 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #66 July 6, 2010 Quote>I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #67 July 6, 2010 Quote[ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Not "for some people". Democracy is straight out mob rule . The majority decides.. One sheep debating dinner plans with a pack of wolves. In a Constitutional Republic the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law. In this case the Rule of Law states that the government cannot take my property(wages/earnings) and convert them to public use without just compensation. It doesn't matter that Bill Von and the majority believe that the government should be allowed to have its' way with my cash. According to the Constitution and Natural Law the fruits of my labour are mine to do with as I see fit. Are you willing, as a fellow American , to stand with me and defend my Fifth Ammendment Rights? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #68 July 6, 2010 Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #69 July 6, 2010 Quote..... So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Absolutely!! We will just have to disagree on whether or not you are being "justly compensated" for your confiscated property. In reality, I will agree that you (we all) probably are sending some of your (our) taxes into the black hole of gov't waste and abuse but you do still have the ability (Freedom) to try to convince other citizens to see things your way and elect representatives who will do your bidding. If not, "throw the bums out" and elect new ones.... or give it a go yourself! Like I said in my first post...... it is an endless struggle! Unfortunately, as soon as you get what you want out of government, someone else will feel like he's getting shafted and the cycle repeats. But during all this we get a reasonably stable society and are free to piss and moan about our gov't and leaders without worrying about getting shipped off to some cold labor camp for re-education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #70 July 6, 2010 QuoteDo you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #71 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay? It's the American way! .....not that there's anything wrong with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #72 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #73 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. He thinks he is Socrates Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #74 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Not supposed to be argued in court. It is supposed to be argued in the halls of Congress by our elected representatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #75 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Sure you can. However, you do not have the right to not pay taxes. From the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." >Do you as an American support my Right against government >confiscation of my property without just compensation? Do I support your efforts to not pay your taxes? No, I don't. In general I don't support crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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billvon 3,120 #55 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stand my ground on my property. Of course you could. And you'd (eventually) be shot and killed. Or, best case, arrested. >I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait. Uh, dude, Thomas Paine DID "just move" to the colonies! You have the same opportunity that he did. Will you avail yourself of it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #56 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote[ And how is "just compensation " achieved when one who pays no taxes is entitled to the exact same protection and services as one who pays $30,000.00? Blue Skies, DJ Because we aspire to be a just and compassionate society. Quote Just is the operative word in the Fifth Ammendment. As to "compassionate" , by all means complete any and all of your philantropist works with your own money! The Fifth says that the government can't confiscate mine for those ends. Blue Skies, DJ No! We as a society agree or disagree with governments philanthropy at the ballot box! Having said that, I believe a large percentage of the "rich" in this country really are personally compassionate and generous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #57 July 6, 2010 Quote>Just is the operative word in the Fifth Ammendment. Take a scenario. You and your friend both purchase health insurance.Quote The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. The income tax is a forcwed confiscation of my property and violates my Fifth Ammendment Rights. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #58 July 6, 2010 QuoteMy property ,my family ,and my life is here. ... so as long as you own property, have a family to care for, and roots you cannot be free. But, yes, I would be very supportive of your "Bid for Freedom", if you would sell your property, pick up your family, and move to Somalia. That's a place without a government where you, and your family, could live out your dream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #59 July 6, 2010 >The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #60 July 6, 2010 Quote>Or I could stand my ground on my property. Of course you could. And you'd (eventually) be shot and killed. Or, best case, arrested.Quote Really? In the land of the Free I'll be shot for exercising my Rights?? And so close to Independance Day!! So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #61 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #62 July 6, 2010 Quote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #63 July 6, 2010 >I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #64 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #65 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #66 July 6, 2010 Quote>I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #67 July 6, 2010 Quote[ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Not "for some people". Democracy is straight out mob rule . The majority decides.. One sheep debating dinner plans with a pack of wolves. In a Constitutional Republic the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law. In this case the Rule of Law states that the government cannot take my property(wages/earnings) and convert them to public use without just compensation. It doesn't matter that Bill Von and the majority believe that the government should be allowed to have its' way with my cash. According to the Constitution and Natural Law the fruits of my labour are mine to do with as I see fit. Are you willing, as a fellow American , to stand with me and defend my Fifth Ammendment Rights? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #68 July 6, 2010 Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #69 July 6, 2010 Quote..... So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Absolutely!! We will just have to disagree on whether or not you are being "justly compensated" for your confiscated property. In reality, I will agree that you (we all) probably are sending some of your (our) taxes into the black hole of gov't waste and abuse but you do still have the ability (Freedom) to try to convince other citizens to see things your way and elect representatives who will do your bidding. If not, "throw the bums out" and elect new ones.... or give it a go yourself! Like I said in my first post...... it is an endless struggle! Unfortunately, as soon as you get what you want out of government, someone else will feel like he's getting shafted and the cycle repeats. But during all this we get a reasonably stable society and are free to piss and moan about our gov't and leaders without worrying about getting shipped off to some cold labor camp for re-education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #70 July 6, 2010 QuoteDo you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #71 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay? It's the American way! .....not that there's anything wrong with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #72 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #73 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. He thinks he is Socrates Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #74 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Not supposed to be argued in court. It is supposed to be argued in the halls of Congress by our elected representatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #75 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Sure you can. However, you do not have the right to not pay taxes. From the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." >Do you as an American support my Right against government >confiscation of my property without just compensation? Do I support your efforts to not pay your taxes? No, I don't. In general I don't support crime. 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dj123 0 #57 July 6, 2010 Quote>Just is the operative word in the Fifth Ammendment. Take a scenario. You and your friend both purchase health insurance.Quote The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. The income tax is a forcwed confiscation of my property and violates my Fifth Ammendment Rights. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #58 July 6, 2010 QuoteMy property ,my family ,and my life is here. ... so as long as you own property, have a family to care for, and roots you cannot be free. But, yes, I would be very supportive of your "Bid for Freedom", if you would sell your property, pick up your family, and move to Somalia. That's a place without a government where you, and your family, could live out your dream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #59 July 6, 2010 >The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #60 July 6, 2010 Quote>Or I could stand my ground on my property. Of course you could. And you'd (eventually) be shot and killed. Or, best case, arrested.Quote Really? In the land of the Free I'll be shot for exercising my Rights?? And so close to Independance Day!! So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #61 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #62 July 6, 2010 Quote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #63 July 6, 2010 >I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #64 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #65 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #66 July 6, 2010 Quote>I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #67 July 6, 2010 Quote[ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Not "for some people". Democracy is straight out mob rule . The majority decides.. One sheep debating dinner plans with a pack of wolves. In a Constitutional Republic the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law. In this case the Rule of Law states that the government cannot take my property(wages/earnings) and convert them to public use without just compensation. It doesn't matter that Bill Von and the majority believe that the government should be allowed to have its' way with my cash. According to the Constitution and Natural Law the fruits of my labour are mine to do with as I see fit. Are you willing, as a fellow American , to stand with me and defend my Fifth Ammendment Rights? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #68 July 6, 2010 Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #69 July 6, 2010 Quote..... So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Absolutely!! We will just have to disagree on whether or not you are being "justly compensated" for your confiscated property. In reality, I will agree that you (we all) probably are sending some of your (our) taxes into the black hole of gov't waste and abuse but you do still have the ability (Freedom) to try to convince other citizens to see things your way and elect representatives who will do your bidding. If not, "throw the bums out" and elect new ones.... or give it a go yourself! Like I said in my first post...... it is an endless struggle! Unfortunately, as soon as you get what you want out of government, someone else will feel like he's getting shafted and the cycle repeats. But during all this we get a reasonably stable society and are free to piss and moan about our gov't and leaders without worrying about getting shipped off to some cold labor camp for re-education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #70 July 6, 2010 QuoteDo you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #71 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay? It's the American way! .....not that there's anything wrong with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #72 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #73 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. He thinks he is Socrates Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #74 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Not supposed to be argued in court. It is supposed to be argued in the halls of Congress by our elected representatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #75 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Sure you can. However, you do not have the right to not pay taxes. From the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." >Do you as an American support my Right against government >confiscation of my property without just compensation? Do I support your efforts to not pay your taxes? No, I don't. In general I don't support crime. 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ChangoLanzao 0 #58 July 6, 2010 QuoteMy property ,my family ,and my life is here. ... so as long as you own property, have a family to care for, and roots you cannot be free. But, yes, I would be very supportive of your "Bid for Freedom", if you would sell your property, pick up your family, and move to Somalia. That's a place without a government where you, and your family, could live out your dream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #59 July 6, 2010 >The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #60 July 6, 2010 Quote>Or I could stand my ground on my property. Of course you could. And you'd (eventually) be shot and killed. Or, best case, arrested.Quote Really? In the land of the Free I'll be shot for exercising my Rights?? And so close to Independance Day!! So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #61 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #62 July 6, 2010 Quote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #63 July 6, 2010 >I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #64 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #65 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #66 July 6, 2010 Quote>I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #67 July 6, 2010 Quote[ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Not "for some people". Democracy is straight out mob rule . The majority decides.. One sheep debating dinner plans with a pack of wolves. In a Constitutional Republic the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law. In this case the Rule of Law states that the government cannot take my property(wages/earnings) and convert them to public use without just compensation. It doesn't matter that Bill Von and the majority believe that the government should be allowed to have its' way with my cash. According to the Constitution and Natural Law the fruits of my labour are mine to do with as I see fit. Are you willing, as a fellow American , to stand with me and defend my Fifth Ammendment Rights? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #68 July 6, 2010 Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #69 July 6, 2010 Quote..... So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Absolutely!! We will just have to disagree on whether or not you are being "justly compensated" for your confiscated property. In reality, I will agree that you (we all) probably are sending some of your (our) taxes into the black hole of gov't waste and abuse but you do still have the ability (Freedom) to try to convince other citizens to see things your way and elect representatives who will do your bidding. If not, "throw the bums out" and elect new ones.... or give it a go yourself! Like I said in my first post...... it is an endless struggle! Unfortunately, as soon as you get what you want out of government, someone else will feel like he's getting shafted and the cycle repeats. But during all this we get a reasonably stable society and are free to piss and moan about our gov't and leaders without worrying about getting shipped off to some cold labor camp for re-education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #70 July 6, 2010 QuoteDo you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #71 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay? It's the American way! .....not that there's anything wrong with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #72 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChangoLanzao 0 #73 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. He thinks he is Socrates Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #74 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Not supposed to be argued in court. It is supposed to be argued in the halls of Congress by our elected representatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #75 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Sure you can. However, you do not have the right to not pay taxes. From the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." >Do you as an American support my Right against government >confiscation of my property without just compensation? Do I support your efforts to not pay your taxes? No, I don't. In general I don't support crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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muff528 3 #61 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #62 July 6, 2010 Quote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #63 July 6, 2010 >I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #64 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote >Fact is the Founding Fathers, those we respect and reveere were each >and every one ,down to a man , Outlaws by choice! And, ironically, the creators of the foundation of the laws we all live by. Quote Actually our laws today in the US are a bastardization of what the founding fathers set down in the Constitution. >Now here we are nearly a century after that law came into effect and we >allow the government to make us into slaves. Confiscating the fruits of our >labour by threat of violence or incarceration!! If this bothers you as much as it appears to, Kuwait does not have any income tax. One of the cool freedoms we have here is the freedom to leave. Or I could stand my ground on my property. I can't imagine Thomas Paine or Jefferson would have just moved to Kuwait.Blue Skies, DJ I think they would probably have reached a compromise with their political adversaries.... much like they did when hashing out the details of the Constitution. So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #65 July 6, 2010 QuoteQuote>The difference here is that we chose to purchase those health care contracts. And you choose your government during elections. Don't like government policies? Vote in someone who thinks more like you do. Don't like the result because more people wanted someone else? Welcome to democracy. Democracy?? The Founding Fathers abhored the idea of "democracy". That was Roosevelts' idea. The United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Blue Skies, DJ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #66 July 6, 2010 Quote>I'll be shot for exercising my Rights? No, you'll be shot for breaking the law. (In this case, pulling a gun on the first cop that comes by to arrest you for income tax evasion.) >So, did you celebrate your Freedom in America this past 4th of July? I did, yes. I've had the freedom to do a lot of really cool stuff here in the US. I don't mind paying back the country that enabled me to do that via my taxes. Again, if paying taxes is unacceptable to you, there are many places you can go. Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #67 July 6, 2010 Quote[ Yep! ....for some people democracy = tyranny and oppression. Not "for some people". Democracy is straight out mob rule . The majority decides.. One sheep debating dinner plans with a pack of wolves. In a Constitutional Republic the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law. In this case the Rule of Law states that the government cannot take my property(wages/earnings) and convert them to public use without just compensation. It doesn't matter that Bill Von and the majority believe that the government should be allowed to have its' way with my cash. According to the Constitution and Natural Law the fruits of my labour are mine to do with as I see fit. Are you willing, as a fellow American , to stand with me and defend my Fifth Ammendment Rights? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #68 July 6, 2010 Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #69 July 6, 2010 Quote..... So you said that the Bill of Rights couldn't be abolished. As a fellow American will you support my bid for Freedom and my exercising my Fifth Ammendment Right? Blue Skies, DJ Absolutely!! We will just have to disagree on whether or not you are being "justly compensated" for your confiscated property. In reality, I will agree that you (we all) probably are sending some of your (our) taxes into the black hole of gov't waste and abuse but you do still have the ability (Freedom) to try to convince other citizens to see things your way and elect representatives who will do your bidding. If not, "throw the bums out" and elect new ones.... or give it a go yourself! Like I said in my first post...... it is an endless struggle! Unfortunately, as soon as you get what you want out of government, someone else will feel like he's getting shafted and the cycle repeats. But during all this we get a reasonably stable society and are free to piss and moan about our gov't and leaders without worrying about getting shipped off to some cold labor camp for re-education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #70 July 6, 2010 QuoteDo you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay?_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #71 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Do you as an American support my Right against government confiscation of my property without just compensation? I do!! I want to buy your property at auction. Why don't you just charge extra for the "fruits of your labor" to compensate for tax you will have to pay? It's the American way! .....not that there's anything wrong with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #72 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #73 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. He thinks he is Socrates Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #74 July 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote .... Blue Skies, DJ I think you're just a troll. I do live under a bridge ,in a van, down by the river.Still I believe the 5th Ammendment argument against income tax to be valid. Problem is how can it be argued in a court where the judge is on the payroll of the plaintiff? Blue Skies, DJ Not supposed to be argued in court. It is supposed to be argued in the halls of Congress by our elected representatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #75 July 6, 2010 >Or I could stay right here and exercise my Rights. Sure you can. However, you do not have the right to not pay taxes. From the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." >Do you as an American support my Right against government >confiscation of my property without just compensation? Do I support your efforts to not pay your taxes? No, I don't. In general I don't support crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
