California and Illinois Are In The Most Financial Trouble

[rushmc 23]

Which Party has been in control of those states for decades??

lucky
They are following the fiscal model you push here daily

What do you think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

Don't hold your breath




ETA: You didn't provide any numbers. Why should I? Besides, I prefer the qualitative approach

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

California's prison population has grown exponentially. Two primary factors caused the growth" 1. Ronald Reagan closed all the state hospitals, causing a trans-institutional effect where now, the mentally ill are serving prison time instead of being safeguarded in hospitals, 2. the three strikes law. While in theory, the three strikes law is great. However, there are circumstances where it is completely inappropriate. For instance, on can steal a pack of gum and it is a misdemeanor. Steal a second gum and becomes felony petty theft. Steal a third pack of gum, it's felony petty theft with priors, three strikes, your out and in prison for 25 years.

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In Cali.

Deukmejian (R) from 83-91. 8 years
Wilson (R) 91-99. 8 Years
Davis (D) 99-03. 4 years
Arnold (R) 03-present. 7 years and counting.

Rep 20+ years.
Dems less than 5 years.

Looks like Republicans have been in control here in Cali more than the Dems. So what's your point. And yes we know that Davis was recalled in 03.

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In Cali.

Deukmejian (R) from 83-91. 8 years
Wilson (R) 91-99. 8 Years
Davis (D) 99-03. 4 years
Arnold (R) 03-present. 7 years and counting.

Rep 20+ years.
Dems less than 5 years.

Looks like Republicans have been in control here in Cali more than the Dems. So what's your point. And yes we know that Davis was recalled in 03.

And who controls the budgets?

Arnold trying but the budget controlers are having none of it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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In Cali.

Deukmejian (R) from 83-91. 8 years
Wilson (R) 91-99. 8 Years
Davis (D) 99-03. 4 years
Arnold (R) 03-present. 7 years and counting.

Rep 20+ years.
Dems less than 5 years.

Looks like Republicans have been in control here in Cali more than the Dems. So what's your point. And yes we know that Davis was recalled in 03.

NOTE: Our last Republican governor is in prison.

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

Don't hold your breath




ETA: You didn't provide any numbers. Why should I? Besides, I prefer the qualitative approach

Cop Out!!!

The budgets of the states are in a mess
You said the incarceration rates iare causing it
And the numbers are up to me???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

Don't hold your breath




ETA: You didn't provide any numbers. Why should I? Besides, I prefer the qualitative approach

Cop Out!!!

The budgets of the states are in a mess
You said the incarceration rates iare causing it
And the numbers are up to me???

Bullshit.

The budgets of ALL of the states are a mess.
Your premise is wrong in your original post.
I don't think you're really interested in numbers.

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In Cali.

Deukmejian (R) from 83-91. 8 years
Wilson (R) 91-99. 8 Years
Davis (D) 99-03. 4 years
Arnold (R) 03-present. 7 years and counting.

Rep 20+ years.
Dems less than 5 years.

Looks like Republicans have been in control here in Cali more than the Dems.

Because while other states have legislatures who write the laws, California's gubernator does that himself as supreme leader?

Since moving to California I've learned that it has a legislature just like the other states.

The Senate is currently 64% Democratic with 25 Democrats, 14 Republicans, and 1 vacancy.

The Assembly is 63% Democratic with 50 of them, 28 Republicans, and 1 vacancy.

They've been that way within a seat or two since at least 2000.

On top of that you get Republican In Name Only governors who are happy to rubber stamp whatever comes their way out of the legislature.

This is all ignoring that the same thing would have happened with the Republicans in control. They'd also have fed at the trough of high tax revenues when the economy was doing well with future spending commitments based on boom times, and suffered as wealthy people's dividends and capital gains disappeared since California depends more on income tax than other states and has the most progressive rates so its revenues are tied most closely to the economy as a whole.

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In Cali.

Deukmejian (R) from 83-91. 8 years
Wilson (R) 91-99. 8 Years
Davis (D) 99-03. 4 years
Arnold (R) 03-present. 7 years and counting.

Rep 20+ years.
Dems less than 5 years.

Looks like Republicans have been in control here in Cali more than the Dems. So what's your point. And yes we know that Davis was recalled in 03.

When I read the OP, I was thinking: Arnold has been Gov for years after Grey Davis' recall election. So WTF; it's been mostly Republicans as Gov, teh final word with budgets, death penalty, etc. Yes Rushypoo wants to blame the Dems????

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In Cali.

Deukmejian (R) from 83-91. 8 years
Wilson (R) 91-99. 8 Years
Davis (D) 99-03. 4 years
Arnold (R) 03-present. 7 years and counting.

Rep 20+ years.
Dems less than 5 years.

Looks like Republicans have been in control here in Cali more than the Dems. So what's your point. And yes we know that Davis was recalled in 03.

And who controls the budgets?

Arnold trying but the budget controlers are having none of it

He's the governor, he can veto or sign budgets. In order to make a point, you have to show how he's rejected budgets and stood his ground, as with Clinton and the Fed budget. Your point supports the other side.

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In Illinois it's because we didn't get the opportunity to sell that Congressional seat. We could have balanced the budget if they had just let Blago have his way.

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[Lucky... 0]

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On top of that you get Republican In Name Only governors who are happy to rubber stamp whatever comes their way out of the legislature.

That's a rationalization, he signs it and wears it or he vetoes it and wears that. Quit copping out.

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On top of that you get Republican In Name Only governors who are happy to rubber stamp whatever comes their way out of the legislature.

That's a rationalization, he signs it and wears it or he vetoes it and wears that. Quit copping out.

Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

Mike
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On top of that you get Republican In Name Only governors who are happy to rubber stamp whatever comes their way out of the legislature.

That's a rationalization, he signs it and wears it or he vetoes it and wears that. Quit copping out.

Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

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On top of that you get Republican In Name Only governors who are happy to rubber stamp whatever comes their way out of the legislature.

That's a rationalization, he signs it and wears it or he vetoes it and wears that. Quit copping out.

Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

Dude up are a hoot!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

It's your fantasy world, live it like you want it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

California's prison population has grown exponentially. Two primary factors caused the growth" 1. Ronald Reagan closed all the state hospitals, causing a trans-institutional effect where now, the mentally ill are serving prison time instead of being safeguarded in hospitals, 2. the three strikes law. While in theory, the three strikes law is great. However, there are circumstances where it is completely inappropriate. For instance, on can steal a pack of gum and it is a misdemeanor. Steal a second gum and becomes felony petty theft. Steal a third pack of gum, it's felony petty theft with priors, three strikes, your out and in prison for 25 years.

You might want to restudy your figures! I don't sdeee a single fact Other than the deruglating mental hospitals, whic I think was a huge mistake!

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If ya feel the need to reply just to do so, it makes you lok as if you have nothing to say. Here it is again, try to address substance.

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

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Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

It's your fantasy world, live it like you want it.

As with Rush, I hope hitting the quote button feels good, as you have failed to respond to any content.

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Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

I look forward to see the numbers

California's prison population has grown exponentially. Two primary factors caused the growth" 1. Ronald Reagan closed all the state hospitals, causing a trans-institutional effect where now, the mentally ill are serving prison time instead of being safeguarded in hospitals, 2. the three strikes law. While in theory, the three strikes law is great. However, there are circumstances where it is completely inappropriate. For instance, on can steal a pack of gum and it is a misdemeanor. Steal a second gum and becomes felony petty theft. Steal a third pack of gum, it's felony petty theft with priors, three strikes, your out and in prison for 25 years.

You might want to restudy your figures! I don't sdeee a single fact Other than the deruglating mental hospitals, whic I think was a huge mistake!

It's really a national trend to incarcerate mentally ill people, or in the case of Texas, execute them.

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Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

It's your fantasy world, live it like you want it.

As with Rush, I hope hitting the quote button feels good, as you have failed to respond to any content.

Gotta provide some, first. Like I said, it's your fantasy world, live it like you want it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Like Clinton being forced to sign a balanced budget by the Reps, then?

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

It's your fantasy world, live it like you want it.

As with Rush, I hope hitting the quote button feels good, as you have failed to respond to any content.

Gotta provide some, first. Like I said, it's your fantasy world, live it like you want it.

Here they are:

No, his tax increases happened in 93, the Reps then tried to get him to sign off on tax cuts and he rejected most of them, shutting down the gov for a bit. So your point is once again wasted, Clinton stood up to the R's in congress and rejected one of their annual budgets that was way too much for the rich, hence his presidency was fiscally successful.

What in that is untrue?