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wmw999 2,586
The same can be said for alcohol.
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
shward 0
True, but again from my earlier post, alcohol doesn't produce a chemical addiction from one use. Meth, crack and various other narcs can.
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QuoteBurger King.
Bad example. If he's a pothead, he appreciates munchies, so will go the extra mile to make the burgers tasty. Customers will be happy; repeat business will flourish. If he's a coke-head, he won't have any appetite, so I won't have to worry about him chowing down on the inventory behind my back. Either way, it's a win-win!
wmw999 2,586
From one use? Not likely. People like the effect and try it again, that's what sets up the physical dependency.
Emotional, psychological? Yeah, that can happen from the start. Just like it can with alcohol.
Wendy P.
Emotional, psychological? Yeah, that can happen from the start. Just like it can with alcohol.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
shward 0
Ok, Wendy. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Andy: Wrong, lose-lose-lose. This guy will have the mental capabilities of a rock, now he's making change in your register and losing money or ripping off customers. Or he's screwing up orders and causing you to lose repeat customers. Now, he's hitting your in the wallet. How long is he going to work for you?
Andy: Wrong, lose-lose-lose. This guy will have the mental capabilities of a rock, now he's making change in your register and losing money or ripping off customers. Or he's screwing up orders and causing you to lose repeat customers. Now, he's hitting your in the wallet. How long is he going to work for you?
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billvon 3,111
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>How many times are you going to allow this employee to show up for work
>high, before you fire him?
Probably the same number of times you allow him to show up for work drunk on (legal) alcohol.
> Now he's lost his job but still has the addiction to narcs, how's he
>going to pay the legal and lower price?
Same way a wino gets his cheap wine, I suppose. Ever see a drunk on a streetcorner begging for nickels and dimes? That's because he can get a few bucks and buy enough alcohol to keep him drunk; it's cheap.
>high, before you fire him?
Probably the same number of times you allow him to show up for work drunk on (legal) alcohol.
> Now he's lost his job but still has the addiction to narcs, how's he
>going to pay the legal and lower price?
Same way a wino gets his cheap wine, I suppose. Ever see a drunk on a streetcorner begging for nickels and dimes? That's because he can get a few bucks and buy enough alcohol to keep him drunk; it's cheap.
QuoteQuote> I was thinking along the lines of bootleg cigarettes and booze. those
>things are stolen and sold without taxes being paid.
Agreed. But when's the last time someone's family was killed over a box of cigarettes by a rival tobacco gang? And while bars do indeed compete for customers, bartenders don't shoot their customers very often (or vice versa.)
I haven't heard of anything like that, recently. All I was getting at was, the crime will still continue. Not to the extent of what is going on now but it will continue. I really wonder if, leagalizing all the forms of dope would really solve the problems. Not just on paper but in reality. I sure, don't have the answer. I'm just voicing my thoughts.
Chuck
Well, we have proven that prohibition doesn't work. Why not try legalization? What other option is there?
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The "crime" associated with illegal drug use is not the actual buying/selling/transport of the drugs. While these actions are crimes, what we should be more concerned with is the "acquisition crimes." When an addict needs a fix and doesn't have the money, he will commit robbery/burgurlary/assault/ prostitution or any other number of crimes that affect much more than the dealer/buyer that most people associate "drug crime" to affect. Legalizing of illict drugs would make these problems more prevalent. Those of your who compare the effects of alcohol/tobacco prohibition with narcotics need to look a bit further into the problem. The addictive charistics of narcotics can lead to a chemical addiction in only one use, someone can take a drag of a cig and say "THAT SUCKS" and never touch them again. Legalization of schedule IV narcotics would be an aboslutely negative move, with no positive effects.
While I understand your reasoning, I disagree with your broad premise. I'm not saying outright that complete legalization of narcotics won't have some negative social effects; but you're presuming that narco use would drastically increase if it were legalized, and I'm skeptical that that's the case. Legalization of narcotics would drastically reduce the price, thereby making it a hell of a lot more affordable to people to buy with lawful income sources, thereby reducing the overall quantity of people who must resort to unlawful income sources to obtain funds to purchase drugs.
Not to mention the fact that some of the money that we are now squandering on the "War on Drugs", could be used for treatment programs for those who become addicted.
QuoteQuoteQuote> I was thinking along the lines of bootleg cigarettes and booze. those
>things are stolen and sold without taxes being paid.
Agreed. But when's the last time someone's family was killed over a box of cigarettes by a rival tobacco gang? And while bars do indeed compete for customers, bartenders don't shoot their customers very often (or vice versa.)
I haven't heard of anything like that, recently. All I was getting at was, the crime will still continue. Not to the extent of what is going on now but it will continue. I really wonder if, leagalizing all the forms of dope would really solve the problems. Not just on paper but in reality. I sure, don't have the answer. I'm just voicing my thoughts.
Chuck
Well, we have proven that prohibition doesn't work. Why not try legalization? What other option is there?
I know, you and thousands of others would really like to see that but who can speak for the future outcome of legalization? Again, I'll ask... all prohibited dope or just a select few? I've asked that question before and noone seems to want to give a response. I do know, there is one form of 'black tar' coming into this country that, one 'fix' will kill a person. Do we want that legalized?
Chuck
You own a business, say a Burger King. One of your employees is a habitual user of narcotics. Now, we all know that the "high" is on a sliding scale, so the longer this employee uses, the more he's going to have to use to get the same high. How many times are you going to allow this employee to show up for work high, before you fire him? Now he's lost his job but still has the addiction to narcs, how's he going to pay the legal and lower price?
A war on drugs is not the answer, it's just all that we can do right now. The answer to the problem is for people to realize that drugs are bad and lower the damand for them by stopping their use. It will take someone way smarter than me to figure out how that must be done, but i know this. It is something that hasto happen in the home, the government can't and shouldn't attempt to control it.
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