Amazon 7 #1 June 29, 2010 You have GOT to be shitting me. Sorry guys but this is gettin a tad out of hand. Tasing Granny EL RENO, Okla. -- An 86-year-old El Reno woman is suing the city's police department over a December incident in which officers shot her with a Taser while she was in bed, according to a lawsuit filed in federal court. Lona M. Varner, 86, and her grandson, Lonnie D. Tinsley, filed the suit on Monday. It alleges that the El Reno Police Department "cruelly injured (her) with a Taser and imprisoned (her) for several days without probable cause in a hospital." However, police told the El Reno Tribune in January that the woman had threatened to kill herself and threatened officers with a knife. The story says the incident happened on Dec. 22 at the Elizabeth Place Apartments, located at 1955 S. Shephard Avenue. Snip According to the lawsuit: Varner's grandson had called 911 to request emergency medical technicians to stop by to help her with medication. He had stopped by to check on her in advance of an approaching winter storm, the lawsuit says. The lawsuit alleges that instead of EMTs, 10 police officers came to the apartment and "pushed their way through the door." It also alleges that from her hospital-style bed and connected to an oxygen machine, she told them to leave. Snip However, attorneys for Varner contend that police were needlessly aggressive with the woman. They said that officers stepped on her oxygen hose until Varner began to suffer oxygen deprivation. Attorneys said police fired a Taser at her twice, the second shot of which hit her in the chest, burning Varner and causing her to pass out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 June 29, 2010 Quote Attorneys said police fired a Taser at her twice, the second shot of which hit her in the chest, burning Varner and causing her to pass out. now, how are 'attorneys' supposed to know she passed out from the tasering? she might have passed out from the oxygen being cut off instead....... if someone wants to kill themselves, they should be allowed to without it being against the law However, this one just sucks too though - Quote Varner's grandson had called 911 to request emergency medical technicians to stop by to help her with medication. SERIOUSLY? calling 911 to administer medicine? Maybe granny is a victim, but the grandson needs to go to jail for abuse of the emergency system (if this is an adult anyway). I mean, really, 911 is needed to be on call so people can get rides to the dentist.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #3 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Attorneys said police fired a Taser at her twice, the second shot of which hit her in the chest, burning Varner and causing her to pass out. now, how are 'attorneys' supposed to know she passed out from the tasering? she might have passed out from the oxygen being cut off instead....... if someone wants to kill themselves, they should be allowed to without it being against the law However, this one just sucks too though - Quote Varner's grandson had called 911 to request emergency medical technicians to stop by to help her with medication. SERIOUSLY? calling 911 to administer medicine? Maybe granny is a victim, but the grandson needs to go to jail for abuse of the emergency system (if this is an adult anyway). I mean, really, 911 is needed to be on call so people can get rides to the dentist.... He did the right thing in a medical situation, taking her to the hosiptal himself could be dangerous! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 June 29, 2010 Quote QuoteVarner's grandson had called 911 to request emergency medical technicians to stop by to help her with medication. SERIOUSLY? calling 911 to administer medicine? Maybe granny is a victim, but the grandson needs to go to jail for abuse of the emergency system (if this is an adult anyway). That sort of detail sets off alarm bells and makes me very open to the other side of the story. I doubt it will justify the action, but I can see it could be a very grey situation with a couple of people who abuse services on a routine basis. On related note, today the defense rested in the BART (subway) shooting case from New Year 2009. The officer shot a handcuffed person in the back as he was lying face down on the ground. After saying nothing for months (quitting rather than answering questions from their IA), he is using the "I thought I was tasering him" defense. And it's pretty likely this is true - it would be pretty brazen for a cop to execute someone at a crowded train station with hundreds of witnesses. But this past week another BART cop tased a fare evader in the back. If the cops continue to use this sometimes lethal method of force as freely as a baton, they're going to lose their toy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 June 29, 2010 QuoteHe did the right thing in a medical situation, taking her to the hosiptal himself could be dangerous! nuts - taking medication usually means taking pills - you don't to go to the hospital to "take medication" or to call 911 for assistance unless the grandson is a total idiot. you might assume "assistance" is a heart attack requiring plugging in an IV. I'll assume it's something harmless (based on the abuse of 911 we hear about all the time) if reality shows you to be correct, I'll buy you a round. (I'd do that anyway). But I'll bet he made a nuisance call as the odds on favorite. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteHe did the right thing in a medical situation, taking her to the hosiptal himself could be dangerous! nuts - taking medication usually means taking pills - you don't to go to the hospital to "take medication" or to call 911 for assistance unless the grandson is a total idiot. you might assume "assistance" is a heart attack requiring plugging in an IV. I'll assume it's something harmless (based on the abuse of 911 we hear about all the time) if reality shows you to be correct, I'll buy you a round. (I'd do that anyway). But I'll bet he made a nuisance call as the odds on favorite. The report I read was he was afraid she took either too much, or the worng medication, because she wasn't reacting! In which case, if you are untrained 911 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #7 June 29, 2010 911 aside.. handcuffed and moved out of the way.(as they did the son)..common procedure...nothing wrong there,.. BUT, Tazing an 80 year old bed ridden woman, when there are more cops right there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #8 June 29, 2010 Quote 911 aside.. handcuffed and moved out of the way.(as they did the son)..common procedure...nothing wrong there,.. BUT, Tazing an 80 year old bed ridden woman, when there are more cops right there? Yeah that's one of the most fucked up situations I've ever read about. "Don't taze my granny, bro!" doesn't even sound funny either. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #9 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote 911 aside.. handcuffed and moved out of the way.(as they did the son)..common procedure...nothing wrong there,.. BUT, Tazing an 80 year old bed ridden woman, when there are more cops right there? Yeah that's one of the most fucked up situations I've ever read about. "Don't taze my granny, bro!" doesn't even sound funny either. That is exactly the title I used yesterday when I posted this at Neds! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #10 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Quote 911 aside.. handcuffed and moved out of the way.(as they did the son)..common procedure...nothing wrong there,.. BUT, Tazing an 80 year old bed ridden woman, when there are more cops right there? Yeah that's one of the most fucked up situations I've ever read about. "Don't taze my granny, bro!" doesn't even sound funny either. That is exactly the title I used yesterday when I posted this at Neds! Awesome. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #11 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Attorneys said police fired a Taser at her twice, the second shot of which hit her in the chest, burning Varner and causing her to pass out. Quote now, how are 'attorneys' supposed to know she passed out from the tasering? she might have passed out from the oxygen being cut off instead....... They have access to evidence we don't. Besides, they can levy their own claims and with negligence and otehr claims, you're just being semantic. Quote if someone wants to kill themselves, they should be allowed to without it being against the law Sure but the cops shouldn't facilitate it. Quote However, this one just sucks too though - Make up your mind. Quote Varner's grandson had called 911 to request emergency medical technicians to stop by to help her with medication. Quote SERIOUSLY? calling 911 to administer medicine? Maybe granny is a victim, but the grandson needs to go to jail for abuse of the emergency system (if this is an adult anyway). I mean, really, 911 is needed to be on call so people can get rides to the dentist.... I don't care how old a peson is, if a senior is ill and needs meds, better to ask, even if it seems wasteful. Jebus Christ dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,507 #12 June 29, 2010 QuoteSorry guys but this is gettin a tad out of hand. Been out of hand for awhile.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #13 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Sorry guys but this is gettin a tad out of hand. Been out of hand for awhile. Tazing old people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #14 June 29, 2010 bitch had it comin'. fukkin bleeding hearts make me puke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #15 June 29, 2010 Quotebitch had it comin'. fukkin bleeding hearts make me puke ROFL...bed ridden granny, with at least 3 cops in the room, needed Tazed...Damn glad you don't wear a badge! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 June 29, 2010 Quotebitch had it comin'. fukkin bleeding hearts make me puke I bet she had double-parked a time or two and had gotten away with it. Karma my friend, karma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #17 June 30, 2010 From the article... QuotePolice contended in their official report that Varner had taken a "more aggressive posture in her bed." What, did she dial up the incline on the ol' craftmatic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 June 30, 2010 Quote Quote Sorry guys but this is gettin a tad out of hand. Been out of hand for awhile. I dont know about you but if some fuckwad tasers me for something when I am 80 years old.. I am hunting the mother fucker down and tasering his fucking nuts till the fuckers are smoking and charred Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,507 #19 June 30, 2010 Hey Sister, I'm on your side on this one. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #20 June 30, 2010 QuoteFrom the article... QuotePolice contended in their official report that Varner had taken a "more aggressive posture in her bed." What, did she dial up the incline on the ol' craftmatic? Sure, I was being sarcastic. Can't believe anyone, regardless of political ideology, who would side with the cops here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 June 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteHe did the right thing in a medical situation, taking her to the hosiptal himself could be dangerous! nuts - taking medication usually means taking pills - you don't to go to the hospital to "take medication" or to call 911 for assistance unless the grandson is a total idiot. you might assume "assistance" is a heart attack requiring plugging in an IV. I'll assume it's something harmless (based on the abuse of 911 we hear about all the time) if reality shows you to be correct, I'll buy you a round. (I'd do that anyway). But I'll bet he made a nuisance call as the odds on favorite. What if your prescription medication involves cathederization? What if she wasn't lucid and you had 30 pills to choose from and were confused? What if the lack of medication made her aggrivated and unreasonable? Would you not call a professional trained for that situation?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 June 30, 2010 Quote What if your prescription medication involves cathederization? What if she wasn't lucid and you had 30 pills to choose from and were confused? What if the lack of medication made her aggrivated and unreasonable? Would you not call a professional trained for that situation? Not sure 911 is the answer here. Only if the problem is being unable to read instructions. If you don't even know where the instructions are, what's the paramedic going to do? Calling the physician makes a lot more sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #23 June 30, 2010 QuoteQuote What if your prescription medication involves cathederization? What if she wasn't lucid and you had 30 pills to choose from and were confused? What if the lack of medication made her aggrivated and unreasonable? Would you not call a professional trained for that situation? Not sure 911 is the answer here. Only if the problem is being unable to read instructions. If you don't even know where the instructions are, what's the paramedic going to do? Calling the physician makes a lot more sense. Why are so many "hung up" on the 911 call? even if "he" was a cronic caller, Does an 80 yearold woman that had nothing to do with it deserve to be Tazed? and If they werre simply pissed at him, why did they release him rigth after she was carted off in a Ambulance? Maybe because they were in the wrong, and KNEW it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #24 June 30, 2010 The state of Nevada criminalizes Physician Assisted Suicide by common law. But Police Assisted Suicide is legal in every state.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #25 June 30, 2010 QuoteQuote What if your prescription medication involves cathederization? What if she wasn't lucid and you had 30 pills to choose from and were confused? What if the lack of medication made her aggrivated and unreasonable? Would you not call a professional trained for that situation? Not sure 911 is the answer here. Only if the problem is being unable to read instructions. If you don't even know where the instructions are, what's the paramedic going to do? Calling the physician makes a lot more sense. Sure. What are his/her office hours?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
