skyrider 0 #76 July 1, 2010 Quote >you continue to fail to address the "solely" modifier. Sorry, I didn't go far enough back in the thread then. Handguns are designed to kill first and foremost, although they are used for other things - so "solely" is not accurate. ALL guns were designed to kill first and foremost...Why does that matter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #77 July 1, 2010 Quote ALL guns were designed to kill first and foremost...Why does that matter? The word "all" does not belong there. It should be replaced with the word "some". And of those that are indeed designed to kill, well, they wouldn't be much good for self defense if they weren't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #78 July 1, 2010 >ALL guns were designed to kill first and foremost...Why does that matter? Because it means that you have to be very careful with them. It is popular here to say things like "you can kill someone with a spoon - are you going to ban spoons, you anti gun nut?" Which is missing the point. Yes, you can kill someone with a spoon. But spoons are not designed to kill; guns are. Treating them like a spoon is a good way to become a statistic to be used by the anti-gun types. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #79 July 1, 2010 So, we ban bow's and arrows too? Sling shots, (designed to hunt birds and rabbits, Killing them) Blow guns? Most knives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #80 July 1, 2010 >So, we ban bow's and arrows too? Why do you want to ban bows and arrows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #81 July 1, 2010 Tattoo shop owner kills would-be robber http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-tattoo-shop-owner-550093.html Mother foils attempted break-in by shooting at men http://www.independentmail.com/news/2010/may/31/belton-mother-foils-attempted-break--shooting-men/ Wounded homeowner kills intruder http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7703136/ Woman uses rifle to run off invader http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100614/ARTICLE/100619907/2055/NEWS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #82 July 1, 2010 Quote Tattoo shop owner kills would-be robber http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-tattoo-shop-owner-550093.html Mother foils attempted break-in by shooting at men http://www.independentmail.com/news/2010/may/31/belton-mother-foils-attempted-break--shooting-men/ Wounded homeowner kills intruder http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7703136/ Woman uses rifle to run off invader http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100614/ARTICLE/100619907/2055/NEWS etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #83 July 1, 2010 Quote Quote Tattoo shop owner kills would-be robber http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-tattoo-shop-owner-550093.html Mother foils attempted break-in by shooting at men http://www.independentmail.com/news/2010/may/31/belton-mother-foils-attempted-break--shooting-men/ Wounded homeowner kills intruder http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7703136/ Woman uses rifle to run off invader http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100614/ARTICLE/100619907/2055/NEWS etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? violent crime will be reduced Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #84 July 1, 2010 Quote Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... so it's easier to tell the bad from the good if only the bad guys are armed?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #85 July 1, 2010 Quote Quote Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... so it's easier to tell the bad from the good if only the bad guys are armed? Well of course! Cause everybody knows anyone with a gun is a bad guy Does not matter if said gun owned legally or otherwise"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #86 July 1, 2010 Quote Quote Tattoo shop owner kills would-be robber http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-tattoo-shop-owner-550093.html Mother foils attempted break-in by shooting at men http://www.independentmail.com/news/2010/may/31/belton-mother-foils-attempted-break--shooting-men/ Wounded homeowner kills intruder http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7703136/ Woman uses rifle to run off invader http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100614/ARTICLE/100619907/2055/NEWS etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... Many of them feel that their own government will fear them and so they will be protected from Tyranny if every citizen is allowed to own and carry guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #87 July 1, 2010 QuoteWho will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? The one breaking into your home is the bad guy. The one trying to rob you is the bad guy. That's pretty clear, isn't it? Do you have trouble making such distinctions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #88 July 1, 2010 QuoteMany of them feel that their own government will fear them and so they will be protected from Tyranny if every citizen is allowed to own and carry guns. And they're in good company, because that's what the founding fathers thought, who wrote the 2nd Amendment for that reason, and they had direct experience with such government tyranny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #89 July 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Tattoo shop owner kills would-be robber http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-tattoo-shop-owner-550093.html Mother foils attempted break-in by shooting at men http://www.independentmail.com/news/2010/may/31/belton-mother-foils-attempted-break--shooting-men/ Wounded homeowner kills intruder http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7703136/ Woman uses rifle to run off invader http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100614/ARTICLE/100619907/2055/NEWS etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... Many of them feel that their own government will fear them and so they will be protected from Tyranny if every citizen is allowed to own and carry guns. A Japanese general made a now famous quote about invading the US in regards to guns. Do you happen to know what he said?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #90 July 1, 2010 Quote Quote Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? The one breaking into your home is the bad guy. The one trying to rob you is the bad guy. That's pretty clear, isn't it? Do you have trouble making such distinctions? Bullshit. Waking up in darkest night as police is chasing some suspect crossing my garden will tell me nothing "clear" in the first moments. In my country, in 99.9 percent it's the good one with the gun in his hands. I simply trust in that, as *our* looters mostly are not armed. You will need a bit more time to decide. Or you just decide to shoot first and ask later? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #91 July 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Tattoo shop owner kills would-be robber http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-tattoo-shop-owner-550093.html Mother foils attempted break-in by shooting at men http://www.independentmail.com/news/2010/may/31/belton-mother-foils-attempted-break--shooting-men/ Wounded homeowner kills intruder http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7703136/ Woman uses rifle to run off invader http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100614/ARTICLE/100619907/2055/NEWS etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... Many of them feel that their own government will fear them and so they will be protected from Tyranny if every citizen is allowed to own and carry guns. A Japanese general made a now famous quote about invading the US in regards to guns. Do you happen to know what he said? Yup. It's a famous PHONY quote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #93 July 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteWho will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? The one breaking into your home is the bad guy. The one trying to rob you is the bad guy. That's pretty clear, isn't it? Do you have trouble making such distinctions? but, John, what if they had a rough childhood? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #94 July 1, 2010 Quote>So, we ban bow's and arrows too? Why do you want to ban bows and arrows? Going by th elogic that hand guns were made with the single purpose of killing people, So were Bow and Arrows...BUT, just liek hand guns, they have become a sport! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #95 July 1, 2010 >Going by th elogic that hand guns were made with the single purpose of >killing people, So were Bow and Arrows. Uh, OK. I still don't see how you get from there to banning them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #96 July 1, 2010 Quote>Going by th elogic that hand guns were made with the single purpose of >killing people, So were Bow and Arrows. Uh, OK. I still don't see how you get from there to banning them. I'm in a hurry , but one of the posters was saying handgun soel purpose when they were designed was to kill humans...so they should be banned, ...I was pointing outr how narrow a view that was.... I'm leaving , not ignoring....(but I have a post to make first) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #97 July 1, 2010 >but one of the posters was saying handgun soel purpose when they >were designed was to kill humans...so they should be banned . . . No, he didn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #98 July 1, 2010 Quote2 more shooting murders: Like I said before.... And you ignored.... A guy that will ignore the law against killing is not going to obey a law against gun ownership. And the shooter was a felon, having served two years for Cocaine sales, and therefore not allowed to own a firearm.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #99 July 1, 2010 Quoteguns kill more people than they save. period. Got any facts to back that up, or just a bumper sticker? Quotei've held a magnum, but my penis got NO bigger! Only people like you think they do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #100 July 1, 2010 QuoteThey won't kill people? Interesting. He said, "they are designed solely to kill people." I have several guns that were not designed to kill people. They could be used that way, just like a person could be killed by a car. But that does not make a car designed 'solely' to kill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
