kallend 2,131 #76 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Another post that confirms your belief that guns should be banned huh Please link to any post I've made where I suggested that. Last time you wrote the same LIE and were similarly challenged you were unable to come up with any. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3806711;search_string=gun%20sane%20rushmc;#3806304 your post Quote No criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR. The thread that puts it all in context http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3037627;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Tell me sir kallend, how would you create the situation where a criminal could not get a gun from a legal owner??? Please everyone read from about page 9 Well? Well, so you posted an irrelevant link. Try harder.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #77 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Another post that confirms your belief that guns should be banned huh Please link to any post I've made where I suggested that. Last time you wrote the same LIE and were similarly challenged you were unable to come up with any. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3806711;search_string=gun%20sane%20rushmc;#3806304 your post Quote No criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR. The thread that puts it all in context http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3037627;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Tell me sir kallend, how would you create the situation where a criminal could not get a gun from a legal owner??? Please everyone read from about page 9 Well? Well, so you posted an irrelevant link. Try harder. Fits perfect I will let it stand on its own which is more than you can do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #78 June 29, 2010 QuoteHas anyone on this site ever said that they think loonies and felons (very losely defined) should be allowed to have guns? Nope, but I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking that position I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking a total banning position (the best part of it is the accusers KNOW they are doing it, but spend countless posts trying to deny it) gun threads are so full of strawmen, that I'm surprised we haven't have a fire and I'm out of nacho-flavored salt for my popcorn ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Has anyone on this site ever said that they think loonies and felons (very losely defined) should be allowed to have guns? Nope, but I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking that position I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking a total banning position (the best part of it is the accusers KNOW they are doing it, but spend countless posts trying to deny it) gun threads are so full of strawmen, that I'm surprised we haven't have a fire and I'm out of nacho-flavored salt for my popcorn Direct answers would take care of a lot of this"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #80 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteHas anyone on this site ever said that they think loonies and felons (very losely defined) should be allowed to have guns? Nope, but I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking that position There ARE 14 "yes" votes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #81 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Another post that confirms your belief that guns should be banned huh Please link to any post I've made where I suggested that. Last time you wrote the same LIE and were similarly challenged you were unable to come up with any. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3806711;search_string=gun%20sane%20rushmc;#3806304 your post Quote No criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR. The thread that puts it all in context http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3037627;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Tell me sir kallend, how would you create the situation where a criminal could not get a gun from a legal owner??? Please everyone read from about page 9 Well? Well, so you posted an irrelevant link. Try harder. Fits perfect I will let it stand on its own which is more than you can do What it stands for is that you can't find ANY post in which I advocated banning guns for anyone except felons and loonies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #82 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHas anyone on this site ever said that they think loonies and felons (very losely defined) should be allowed to have guns? Nope, but I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking that position There ARE 14 "yes" votes. there are 14 notes for "everyone is covered by the Bill of Rights" your fault for not writing it clearly - to see if your strawhorse stands, you now need to get all 14 people and figure out what they consider "covered" to mean. or you can take the lazy way and just assume it means what you want it to and argue that point I can see a position where one would check both options (if allowed) to most clearly state their view. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #83 June 29, 2010 QuoteNo criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #84 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHas anyone on this site ever said that they think loonies and felons (very losely defined) should be allowed to have guns? Nope, but I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking that position There ARE 14 "yes" votes. there are 14 notes for "YES, everyone is covered by the Bill of Rights" Corrected it for you. There are 14 "Yes" votes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #85 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteNo criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR. You have a problem with those facts? Which statement do you disagree with, and why?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #86 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR. You have a problem with facts? You rarely if ever give a direct answer to anything (out of fear I suspect) If one takes the time to read the thread from about page 9 of the thread I linked your intentions become somewhat clear. (as mud) But you will not answer directly what YOU would do so all are left to try and figure it out. Your intent (as I stated before) comes out in that thread"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #87 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteI didn't say there weren't such requirement in place already. I agree with these requirements. Then why did you say; "At the very least, the system should make it very difficult for a violent felon or someone who has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution in the past to have firearms."That certainly seemed to imply that you believed that no such requirements were already in place. If you knew all along that these restrictions were in effect, then what was the point of your statement? You appear to me to just be back-pedaling to try and cover up your ignorance of gun laws... Believe what you want to believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #88 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You have a problem with facts? You rarely if ever give a direct answer to anything (out of fear I suspect) If one takes the time to read the thread from about page 9 of the thread I linked your intentions become somewhat clear. (as mud) But you will not answer directly what YOU would do so all are left to try and figure it out. Your intent (as I stated before) comes out in that thread Projecting again. Fact is, you can't back up your lie. See my posts Sep 5, 2008, 12:05 PM and Sep 7, 2008, 11:30 AM for examples (among many) for PROOF that you are wrong. Also Apr 16, 2008, 5:09 PM, Dec 19, 2007, 10:08 AM, Mar 11, 2007, 7:29 AM, and Sep 2, 2006, 6:34 AM Fact is, rushmc makes the same lying claim repeatedly (Goebbels model of argument), but the evidence is very clear that it is a lie.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #89 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You have a problem with facts? You rarely if ever give a direct answer to anything (out of fear I suspect) If one takes the time to read the thread from about page 9 of the thread I linked your intentions become somewhat clear. (as mud) But you will not answer directly what YOU would do so all are left to try and figure it out. Your intent (as I stated before) comes out in that thread Projecting again. Fact is, you can't back up your lie. No criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. True or false, Marc? Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR (Source, US DoJ, link previously provided). True or false, Marc? I dont care if it 1 or a million There is only one way to stop it from happening What way would that be???"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #90 June 29, 2010 QuoteNo criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. True or false, Marc? A criminal does not care about gun laws. True or False? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #91 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteNo criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. True or false, Marc? A criminal does not care about gun laws, whether about murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, fraud etc. True or False? Your question is excessively limited in scope so I fixed it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against murder, robbery, kidnapping, rape, fraud, etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #92 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You have a problem with facts? You rarely if ever give a direct answer to anything (out of fear I suspect) If one takes the time to read the thread from about page 9 of the thread I linked your intentions become somewhat clear. (as mud) But you will not answer directly what YOU would do so all are left to try and figure it out. Your intent (as I stated before) comes out in that thread Projecting again. Fact is, you can't back up your lie. No criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. True or false, Marc? Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR (Source, US DoJ, link previously provided). True or false, Marc? I dont care if it 1 or a million There is only one way to stop it from happening ? FALSE PREMISE - FAIL Fact is, you can't back up your lie with anything except your own projections based on your own limited creativity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #93 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You have a problem with facts? You rarely if ever give a direct answer to anything (out of fear I suspect) If one takes the time to read the thread from about page 9 of the thread I linked your intentions become somewhat clear. (as mud) But you will not answer directly what YOU would do so all are left to try and figure it out. Your intent (as I stated before) comes out in that thread Projecting again. Fact is, you can't back up your lie. No criminal can obtain a gun from a citizen who doesn't own one. True or false, Marc? Over 300,000 guns make their way from "law-abiding gun owners" to criminals EACH YEAR (Source, US DoJ, link previously provided). True or false, Marc? I dont care if it 1 or a million There is only one way to stop it from happening ? FALSE PREMISE - FAIL OK then I will ask yet another time What specifically do you recomend to keep loonies and felons from getting weapons?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,095 #94 June 29, 2010 >A criminal does not care about gun laws. True or False? I'd say it's false; only the stupidest of criminals are completely unaware of gun laws. As proof, note how many criminals try to hide their weapons from police; they clearly care about the consequences of being caught. However, if your point is that some criminals tend to not _obey_ gun laws, then that's true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #95 June 29, 2010 Quote OK then I will ask yet another time What specifically do you recomend to keep loonies and felons from getting weapons? To use kelpdiver's line from just yesterday, I already answered that question. Try using the search function instead of being lazy. Fact is, you can't back up your lie with anything except your own projections based on your own limited creativity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #96 June 29, 2010 QuoteYour question is excessively limited in scope so I fixed it. No you dodged it. The question was fine. Please answer the original question. (You didn't even answer the question you modified. QuoteThat doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against murder, robbery, kidnapping, rape, fraud, etc. Of course not. But just because a guy might use a gun for crime does not mean we should not allow a citizen to have one. Like you said... Criminals don't care about the law. So passing a law only hurts the innocent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #97 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote OK then I will ask yet another time What specifically do you recomend to keep loonies and felons from getting weapons? To use kelpdiver's line from just yesterday, I already answered that question. Try using the search function instead of being lazy. Fact is, you can't back up your lie with anything except your own projections based on your own limited creativity. Not a lie but if you say it enough time is still will not be one"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #98 June 29, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHas anyone on this site ever said that they think loonies and felons (very losely defined) should be allowed to have guns? Nope, but I've seen people here (wrongly) accused of taking that position There ARE 14 "yes" votes. And those yes votes were explained. Your poll question implies a lifetime ban for all felons, regardless of what type of crime or how long ago it was committed. The people that voted yes explained to you that they don't mind gun rights being restored after an appropriate period of time, with a good record, and a non-violent felony conviction. Thus there are exceptions where we are in fact in favor of reformed former felons having guns. But here you are again, playing your little word games, trying to imply something differently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #99 June 29, 2010 Quote. . . you now need to get all 14 people and figure out what they consider "covered" to mean. I consider "covered" to mean having at least a thong over your junk. But that has nothing to do with why I voted "yes." I voted "yes" because, well, it was just more exciting than voting "no." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #100 June 29, 2010 Quote To use kelpdiver's line from just yesterday, I already answered that question. Try using the search function instead of being lazy. To be clear, I stole that from you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
