Supreme Court Rules - Gun Rights ALL 50 STATES

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[ChangoLanzao 0]

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Hey, but at least you're trying now, with references, instead of just saying "It's NRA propaganda" and expecting us to believe you at face value. It's just too bad that your own reference disproves the claim you were trying to make. Keep trying though, maybe you'll get better.

You take quotes, some of them phony to varying degrees, attributed to dead men, (thus they cannot actually tell you that you misquoted them), and taken out of context, in order to bolster your arguments. It's as if you can't come up with any original ideas on your own. I can read everything you say on various loony websites all over the internets!

In this case, you take a widely abused quotation, that Martin Niemöller himself was unsure he said, just because it has a nice ring to it and attach it to your ramblings about the Second Amendment in order to lend more credence to them. It's a nice quote, but it isn't what he said and it isn't about the right to bear arms. Martin Niemöller was a Nazi and later turned into an extreme pacifist. His story is pretty interesting, but it's ironic that you would invoke him when trying to defend the idea that arming every American citizen is going to buy us Freedom.

As a matter of fact, when I think about that quote it seems to me that when applied to current events it means that we should not sit idly by and let white supremacist gun nuts dictate our politics because they are very dangerous to our liberty and should not be ignored. We need to stop them (and I don't mean with guns!) BEFORE they come for us.

You just don't get it.

Martin Niemöller was also an ardent supporter of the Japanese Constituion. You quote him to back up your nonsense about the Second Amendment.

ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained.

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those 'white supremacist gun nuts' (must be a shock to the black members) aren't discouraging your "us" from getting guns either. Quite the opposite.

Your own link showed that Martin Niemöller lived more than long enough to disavow the citation.

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those 'white supremacist gun nuts' (must be a shock to the black members) aren't discouraging your "us" from getting guns either. Quite the opposite.

Your own link showed that Martin Niemöller lived more than long enough to disavow the citation.

You still don't get it. It's not about guns!

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You still don't get it. It's not about guns!

No, you still don't get it. It is about RIGHTS and what happens when you sit by and lets others rights be taken away.... you often find no one will be there to fight for your rights.

And that applies to many things.....

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You still don't get it. It's not about guns!

No, you still don't get it. It is about RIGHTS and what happens when you sit by and lets others rights be taken away.... you often find no one will be there to fight for your rights.

And that applies to many things.....

His quote is not about the right to bear arms.

Pastor Niemöller, AFAIK, never used that poem to talk about "rights". He never included the right to bear arms in any statements that I've been able to read. He was referring specifically to the NAZIS rounding up and putting groups of people that they hated into concentration camps. He was referring to the fact that the intellectuals of the time refused to SPEAK OUT about what the NAZIs were doing in order to stop them. He was not referring to taking up arms against the NAZIs.


There are NAZIs gaining power in the U.S. RIGHT NOW. They have been able to write laws that Arizona and other states have passed. They are singling out groups of people to persecute. They are gun nuts, white supremacist militia groups, WingNuts, TeaBaggers, and DittoHeads. They must be stopped, PEACEFULLY, before more of them get elected to public office in the United States.

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Pastor Niemöller, AFAIK, never used that poem to talk about "rights". ... He was referring specifically to the NAZIS rounding up and putting groups of people that they hated into concentration camps. He was referring to the fact that the intellectuals of the time refused to SPEAK OUT about what the NAZIs were doing in order to stop them.

Re-read these statements of yours and tell me with a straight face that they aren't absurd.

You don't think being arbitrarily rounded up and imprisoned or executed constitutes a rights issue?

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There are NAZIs gaining power in the U.S. RIGHT NOW. They have been able to write laws that Arizona and other states have passed. They are singling out groups of people to persecute. They are gun nuts, white supremacist militia groups, WingNuts, TeaBaggers, and DittoHeads. They must be stopped, PEACEFULLY, before more of them get elected to public office in the United States.

just as there are millions of Americans who don't know what socialism, communism or liberalism actually mean (they're BAD BAD!), we have just as many without a clue what Nazis are (they're REALLY BAD!).

Hostility to immigration (legal or not) always increases in poor economies, and has nothing to do with fascism.

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His quote is not about the right to bear arms.

Never said it was... I said it was about rights and the right to bear arms is a right.

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Pastor Niemöller, AFAIK, never used that poem to talk about "rights". He never included the right to bear arms in any statements that I've been able to read. He was referring specifically to the NAZIS rounding up and putting groups of people that they hated into concentration camps.

You don't see that rounding up people they don't like is a rights issue??!?!?!?!?!?!?