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maadmax 0
For a book that has been translated and retranslated,...it is impossible to trust anything it says!
Quite the contrary, Heb 4:12 "The Word of God is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword , piercing even to dividing the soul and the spirit and the joints from the marrow, and is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
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For a book that has been translated and retranslated,...it is impossible to trust anything it says!
Quite the contrary, Heb 4:12 "The Word of God is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword , piercing even to dividing the soul and the spirit and the joints from the marrow, and is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
Oh, ok. Since the misinterpreted, misread, and ill-translated book says THAT it must be precisely correct.
NOT!!
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
riddler 0
QuoteI think his point to riddler was about when Jesus died on the cross.
He already gave passages in his respone to the OP that do say something about a cross.
Yeah, I looked up the passages myself, and it doesn't look at all like they have anything to do with a cross, the Holy Wounds, or the Stigmata. So I'm puzzled why he is referencing them. The passages all talk about Jesus dying, but not how.
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riddler 0
Quoteand a good rule book!
Your set of rules will get you in jail or killed pretty fast in today's culture. Of course, if you are talking about following just some of the rules, and not all of them ... I think that's how most people use the Bible already.
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riddler 0
Quotebesides the fact that the Bible mentions Jesus' death on the cross in many passages
You sort of have to read the OPs article to understand what the point is. The researcher said that the word "cross" came from the greek word "Stauros". That word was translated as "cross" by scholars, but in his opinion, it could refer to any instrument of death that the Romans used.
So, the logical thing to do is look for other evidence that it was actually a cross. You would look for references of the Holy Wounds, and there are none, except for the spear in Jesus' side. And that would fit with the "death-on-a-stick" theory. Or you would look for evidence of the Stigmata, and there are no references to that either.
So outside the word "Stauros", there are no references to Jesus dying on a cross, and that word may have been mis-translated. It makes for an interesting subject matter.
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skyrider 0
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For a book that has been translated and retranslated,...it is impossible to trust anything it says!
Quite the contrary, Heb 4:12 "The Word of God is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword , piercing even to dividing the soul and the spirit and the joints from the marrow, and is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
From a translated book...man you are seriously brainwashed!
Andy9o8 2
QuoteFor a book that has been translated and retranslated,...it is impossible to trust anything it says!
Quite the contrary, Heb 4:12 "The Word of God is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword , piercing even to dividing the soul and the spirit and the joints from the marrow, and is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
Non-sequitur. That is irrelevant to the question of accuracy of linguistic translation. That is, unless your point is that every translation down the ages has always been divinely inspired and therefore must be accepted as literally accurate.
skyrider 0
QuoteQuoteFor a book that has been translated and retranslated,...it is impossible to trust anything it says!
Quite the contrary, Heb 4:12 "The Word of God is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword , piercing even to dividing the soul and the spirit and the joints from the marrow, and is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
Non-sequitur. That is irrelevant to the question of accuracy of linguistic translation. That is, unless your point is that every translation down the ages has always been divinely inspired and therefore must be accepted as literally accurate.
Damn , I wish I was that good with words! well said!
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Haha I love maadmax's circular logic.
Or that's what it appears to be.
"What? You're calling the bible wrong?! I'll show you a passage from it that tells you it's not wrong!"
Maadmax: You realize what you're doing makes no sense? It's like person Y telling you person X is a liar, so you go to person X and ask him if he is a liar and he tells you no. And you then tell person Y that person X is not a liar because he said he isn't.
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QuoteHaha I love maadmax's circular logic.
Or that's what it appears to be.
"What? You're calling the bible wrong?! I'll show you a passage from it that tells you it's not wrong!"
Maadmax: You realize what you're doing makes no sense? It's like person Y telling you person X is a liar, so you go to person X and ask him if he is a liar and he tells you no. And you then tell person Y that person X is not a liar because he said he isn't.
I agree, the words written in the Bible are worthless and meaningless as long as they remain there. Which is why they are of no value to you. I understand and am in complete agreement with your viewpoint. But when the Words are written in the heart(volitional part of the mind) they have a supernatural power that transforms, heals and restores. Say what you will, those of us who have experienced this power are not concerned. Yes, there are some minor translational issues but the transformative message comes through loud and clear for those who have ears to hear. And however Christ died (which did involve being nailed to a wooden structure) He died that we may live.
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kallend 2,150
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QuoteHaha I love maadmax's circular logic.
Or that's what it appears to be.
"What? You're calling the bible wrong?! I'll show you a passage from it that tells you it's not wrong!"
Maadmax: You realize what you're doing makes no sense? It's like person Y telling you person X is a liar, so you go to person X and ask him if he is a liar and he tells you no. And you then tell person Y that person X is not a liar because he said he isn't.
I agree, the words written in the Bible are worthless and meaningless as long as they remain there. Which is why they are of no value to you. I understand and am in complete agreement with your viewpoint. But when the Words are written in the heart(volitional part of the mind) they have a supernatural power that transforms, heals and restores. Say what you will, those of us who have experienced this power are not concerned. Yes, there are some minor translational issues but the transformative message comes through loud and clear for those who have ears to hear. And however Christ died (which did involve being nailed to a wooden structure) He died that we may live.
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Your hallucinations are NOT evidence.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Flyerer 0
I've been sitting here reading all these posts trying to come up with the words you just posted. Well said, and thank you.
turtlespeed 226
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I agree, the words written in the Bible are worthless and meaningless as long as they remain there. Which is why they are of no value to you. I understand and am in complete agreement with your viewpoint. But when the Words are written in the heart(volitional part of the mind) they have a supernatural power that transforms, heals and restores. Say what you will, those of us who have experienced this power are not concerned. Yes, there are some minor translational issues but the transformative message comes through loud and clear for those who have ears to hear. And however Christ died (which did involve being nailed to a wooden structure) He died that we may live.
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Your hallucinations are NOT evidence.
Your inability to feel the holy spirit is not evidence either.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
Sorry about the typo, it is Phil 2:8 "And being found in appearance as a man He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross"
All of the other passages I listed had established that Jesus was hanging on a cross when He breathed His last breath.
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For a book that has been translated and retranslated,...it is impossible to trust anything it says!