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We're not just going to shoot anybody. We want to make it damn near impossible for drug and human smugglers to get through the area. Our focus is to block the area and deny access to drug cartels. We want to make sure we make their lives miserable. It will be deadly for them to cross that border, and we will ensure that we operate within the statutes in the Arizona Revised Code when it comes to acting out in self defense when we have to. If these guys don't want to be vulture food, they should consider finding another career.



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Soooo...."Protecting their Property makes Them Nazi's?

I must be a nazi!

But then judging by your past post..YOU are closer to a Nazi than any of those people!



Did you even bother reading the rest of thread or links, or googled what their group is (here, since you can't bother http://tinyurl.com/382tah7)?

Of course not, you don't bother researching the junk you post yourself...
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...a leader of the Mesa Chapter of the National Socialist Movement, believed to be the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, led a group of armed men during an operation on Bureau of Land Management property



Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?

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...a leader of the Mesa Chapter of the National Socialist Movement, believed to be the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, led a group of armed men during an operation on Bureau of Land Management property



Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.

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...a leader of the Mesa Chapter of the National Socialist Movement, believed to be the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, led a group of armed men during an operation on Bureau of Land Management property



Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.



Why is that unfortunate? Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though they're doing nothing illegal?

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>Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out
>and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though
>they're doing nothing illegal?

Nope. But if the Brady Campaign was protesting on the sidewalk outside your house, I bet you'd be somewhat annoyed - even if you support the first amendment and all. And if a friend's funeral was disrupted by the Westboro Baptists I'd bet you'd find that unfortunate as well.

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...a leader of the Mesa Chapter of the National Socialist Movement, believed to be the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, led a group of armed men during an operation on Bureau of Land Management property



Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.



Why is that unfortunate? Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though they're doing nothing illegal?



No. I prefer to live in a country where there are no fucking Nazis.

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...a leader of the Mesa Chapter of the National Socialist Movement, believed to be the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, led a group of armed men during an operation on Bureau of Land Management property



Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



Of course they should be. But some people are just plain scary. I find neo-Nazis to be scary. Now, scary people have the same constitutional right to do things like form citizens' mutual-protection patrols and keep and bear arms that you and I do, but I have a hard time trusting them to not abuse those rights and behave irresponsibly, or dangerously or unlawfully. So when it comes to rights, yes, neo-Nazis have the right. But when it comes to trust, no, they don't have my trust. And thus it follows that I have the right to voice my concern publicly and seek to influence public opinion about it. In fact, I might just form my own citizens' watch group to watch their citizens' watch group.

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You cant trust a hate group to follow this. If they hate already, then they will find a way to shoot someone and try to make it look like self defense.



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Indeed. And I'm sure that these guys will be very, very careful to distinguish between drug runners and simple illegal immigrants before they start shooting, what with all their law enforcement legal training and all. [:/]



And somewhere, everywhere many people whine about the reputation of the illegals coming over to rape, rob and murder innocent American citizens.

Point is....everybody has everybody pre-judged and convicted beforehand.

Country is already going to hell...it's just looking for a bigger hand basket.
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We're not just going to shoot anybody. We want to make it damn near impossible for drug and human smugglers to get through the area. Our focus is to block the area and deny access to drug cartels. We want to make sure we make their lives miserable. It will be deadly for them to cross that border, and we will ensure that we operate within the statutes in the Arizona Revised Code when it comes to acting out in self defense when we have to. If these guys don't want to be vulture food, they should consider finding another career.



Thank you for your service to our Country. And thanks for having the balls to do something our government wont.

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We're not just going to shoot anybody. We want to make it damn near impossible for drug and human smugglers to get through the area. Our focus is to block the area and deny access to drug cartels. We want to make sure we make their lives miserable. It will be deadly for them to cross that border, and we will ensure that we operate within the statutes in the Arizona Revised Code when it comes to acting out in self defense when we have to. If these guys don't want to be vulture food, they should consider finding another career.



Thank you for your service to our Country. And thanks for having the balls to do something our government wont.

http://pobeptsworld.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/illegal-aliens-are-a-real-threat-to-americans/



A real smelly crock of shit, that. He posts a load of phony stats and even states that he hasn't bothered to confirm his sources!

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Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.



Why is that unfortunate? Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though they're doing nothing illegal?



No. I prefer to live in a country where there are no fucking Nazis.



One must be careful not to trade one small set of nazis for a much larger and more powerful set.
I'd rather have these guys running around in the desert,
then another group in Congress who would squelch groups they don't like.

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Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.



Why is that unfortunate? Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though they're doing nothing illegal?



No. I prefer to live in a country where there are no fucking Nazis.



One must be careful not to trade one small set of nazis for a much larger and more powerful set.
I'd rather have these guys running around in the desert,
then another group in Congress the Arizona legislature who would squelch groups of brown people they don't like.



Edit: Fixed it.

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Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.



Why is that unfortunate? Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though they're doing nothing illegal?



No. I prefer to live in a country where there are no fucking Nazis.



One must be careful not to trade one small set of nazis for a much larger and more powerful set.
I'd rather have these guys running around in the desert,
then another group in Congress the Arizona legislature who would squelch groups of brown people they don't like.



Edit: Fixed it.



so the AZ legislature is limiting the free speech of american citizens in AZ? When did this happen?
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Should neo-nazis not be allowed to hike on public land?



They have a right to be there. Unfortunately.


Why is that unfortunate? Would you prefer to live in a country where the government can single out and deny rights and/or privileges to groups they don't like, even though they're doing nothing illegal?


No. I prefer to live in a country where there are no fucking Nazis.


One must be careful not to trade one small set of nazis for a much larger and more powerful set.
I'd rather have these guys running around in the desert,
then another group in Congress the Arizona legislature who would squelch groups of brown people they don't like.


Edit: Fixed it.


so the AZ legislature is limiting the free speech of american citizens in AZ? When did this happen?


I chose a broader definition of the word "squelch" ;)

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One must be careful not to trade one small set of nazis for a much larger and more powerful set.
I'd rather have these guys running around in the desert, then another group in Congress who would squelch groups they don't like.

This I agree with. All this Constitutional freedom stuff is messy and expensive, but it sure beats the alternative.

Of course, all that free speech causes more change than a more restricted environment, and, frankly, I'm a change junkie :)
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Point is....everybody has everybody pre-judged and convicted beforehand.



Here are 2 quotes from the link to their thesis that I provided, Andy:
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We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, race traitors, etc. must be severely punished, whatever their creed or race.



That little "etc" that they slip in at the end makes me really, really uncomfortable.

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The leaders of the movement promise to work ruthlessly-if need be to sacrifice their very lives-to translate this program into action.



So, these guys publicly state that their leadership is willing to die to ensure that, among many other things, "race traitors" and "etc" are ruthlessly prosecuted.

I don't think I'm pre-judging them.
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One must be careful not to trade one small set of nazis for a much larger and more powerful set.
I'd rather have these guys running around in the desert, then another group in Congress who would squelch groups they don't like.

This I agree with. All this Constitutional freedom stuff is messy and expensive, but it sure beats the alternative.

Of course, all that free speech causes more change than a more restricted environment, and, frankly, I'm a change junkie :)
Wendy P.


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Point is....everybody has everybody pre-judged and convicted beforehand.



Here are 2 quotes from the link to their thesis that I provided, Andy:
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We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, race traitors, etc. must be severely punished, whatever their creed or race.



That little "etc" that they slip in at the end makes me really, really uncomfortable.



It's likely that "usurers" is code for something more than just "bankers", also.

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