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There was a reason he flew over
Had he stopped there would have been huge delays in getting some supplies in due to the security the President warrants when he flies in some where.

He told the states leaders he would help
They declined until their incompetence forced them to let the Feds help.



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If the truth is comdic....Ok[:/]
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Katrina was just a bit different with people dying and all on live TV, why Bush over flew New Orleans at 40,00ft.



At least bush flew over it. Does Obama even know where Louisiana is? Maybe some one should point it out to him on a map so he can visit.

Also, I see he finally got around to talking to Tony Hayward after he was blasted in the media about it. Holy afterthought bat man, maybe it is a good idea!


There was a reason he flew over
Had he stopped there would have been huge delays in getting some supplies in due to the security the President warrants when he flies in some where.

He told the states leaders he would help
They declined until their incompetence forced them to let the Feds help.

The Katrina story was distorted for people like Lucky

You know, those who take the talking points and then only feel about something


This is canned rhetoric not parroted by every conservative who read or heard of Ms Manslaughteress's book detailing why, years later of course, that GWB only flew over. WHy did it take so long to come up with that one?

Furthermore, the real rub is that GWB didn't send in troops/help/supplies for the 1st week after Katrina, you still have yet to address that one.

BECAUSE HE HAD TO HAVE THE STATER PERMISSION AND THEY WOULD NOT LET HIM DUDE

But of course that fact is not widely reported because it did not support the story line you carry yet today:D
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Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....


Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Do you have a clue as to what you're talking about? Obama has been there 4 times as of June 14th.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/us/15spill.html



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Of course I know Obama has been to the Gulf, he was just here in Pensacola the other day.



Ahhhh, then you can explain wrting this: Does Obama even know where Louisiana is? Maybe some one should point it out to him on a map so he can visit.


Just man-up, you didn't know Obama had been there and decided to guess he had not. Now we'll hear your explanation as to you just being sarcastic. It isn't evengood sarcasm, as he's been there. Ya fucked up, son, admit it and quit lookign silly.

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What gives you the right to say Bush only flew over Louisiana at 40,000'?



I didn't, Einstein; jclalor wrote that in post #7: Katrina was just a bit different with people dying and all on live TV, while Bush over flew New Orleans at 40,00ft.

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I know I'm getting petty and letting you drag me down into the depths of conversation reserved for Liberals, but maybe it's time conservatives starting taking a few pointers from the liberal book on "how to protest the man" since liberals are now in power and are the man.



You're running and no misdirecting, as you're clueless as to what events have taken place. You aren't even astute enough to know Obama has been to the gulf at least 4 times since the spill.

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While were talking about failure, When is Obama going to get FEMA involved? He can put them on speaker phone with his Blackberry while at the golf course:D Isn't that how a Wall street executive or an Oil company CEO would do it?




FEMA would only get in the way, they have no real substantial knowledge of these kinds of disaters, not to the proportion BP and the oil companies do. Of course if he did, now you would bitch that he's using tax dollars to fix BP's mess.

Now, back to you saying:

1) Does Obama even know where Louisiana is? Maybe some one should point it out to him on a map so he can visit.


2) Of course I know Obama has been to the Gulf, he was just here in Pensacola the other day.

BTW, Obama went to Louisiana on May 2nd, pure genius: http://mediamatters.org/research/201005280006 Quit watching FOX news and maybe you'll have the truth.

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Suspend the Jones Act!!!



Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....


Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done



Other than as a talking point that some conservatard came up with to further the usual corporate shove it up America's ass... do you even have a clue what the Jones Act is... and why it was put there???

Now run along and check your usual fringe right sources...



(Hint... its about protecting American Economic interests in American waters from foreign intrusion)

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I suppose the IRS should immediately disallow all those country club subscription "Business" deductions for rich CEOs who claim to be doing business on the golf course. In fact the IRS should prosecute anyone who's ever made such a deduction, for tax evasion.



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Suspend the Jones Act!!!



Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....


Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done



Other than as a talking point that some conservatard came up with to further the usual corporate shove it up America's ass... do you even have a clue what the Jones Act is... and why it was put there???

Now run along and check your usual fringe right sources...



(Hint... its about protecting American Economic interests in American waters from foreign intrusion)



What does that have to do with the libertard in chief not yet waiving it? Of course you were reminded by your usual fringe left sources what the purpose was, but did they offer a reason why it hasn't been waived yet?

Of course your post had nothing to do with any point of contention in this discussion except to serve as an opportunity to insult. Many people do that when they don't have a good point to make.
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Katrina:

- Was easily predicted, even the enormity of it

- The damage was just rescue and cleanup, very easy and done a million times

- GWB didn't prepare the gaurd or anyone, knowing it would be a huge mess

- GWB didn't send tropps or any relevantg help to the gulf even after the degree of damage was done and known for over a week.



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1. Predict the upcoming Hurricanes and damage they will do this season.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

Hurricane Katrina formed over the Bahamas on August 23, 2005 and crossed southern Florida as a moderate Category 1 hurricane, causing some deaths and flooding there before strengthening rapidly in the Gulf of Mexico. The storm weakened before making its second landfall as a Category 3 storm on the morning of Monday, August 29 in southeast Louisiana

It killed people 6 days before it hit Louisiana, they knew its general path and strength potential. Having sufficient guard / reserve standing by is called prudent and intelligent, something your hero does not have. Point is: THEY HAD AMPLE WARNING. They had some Coast Gaurd there, but basically ignored it for a week.


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- Is the clean up done and New Orleans recovered? I know a lot of people that would disagree.



I'm sure not, would you cry if Obama spent tax dollars to repair that or is it just fun playing this side of the fence right now? You'll jump over if Obama allocated money for the cleanup.

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For 3 and 4 I am clueless. Preview post and spell check are your friend.



- GWB didn't prepare the gaurd or anyone, knowing it would be a huge mess

- GWB didn't send tropps or any relevantg help to the gulf even after the degree of damage was done and known for over a week.


There's 3 and 4. If you're gonna *try* to escape under the guise of typos, have a good time, at least you admit you're clueless. I guess that beats having no real response, just like GWB.

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However I believe a good counterpoint to your incoherent ramblings would be the Coast guard is without real leadership and Obama could be doing a lot more, for example, don't ground the ships that are cleaning up the oil because you can't verify if they have life jackets on them!



Cite your assertion. Whatever the truth, is this the best you can do?

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Katrina was just a bit different with people dying and all on live TV, why Bush over flew New Orleans at 40,00ft.



At least bush flew over it. Does Obama even know where Louisiana is? Maybe some one should point it out to him on a map so he can visit.

Also, I see he finally got around to talking to Tony Hayward after he was blasted in the media about it. Holy afterthought bat man, maybe it is a good idea!


There was a reason he flew over
Had he stopped there would have been huge delays in getting some supplies in due to the security the President warrants when he flies in some where.

He told the states leaders he would help
They declined until their incompetence forced them to let the Feds help.

The Katrina story was distorted for people like Lucky

You know, those who take the talking points and then only feel about something


This is canned rhetoric not parroted by every conservative who read or heard of Ms Manslaughteress's book detailing why, years later of course, that GWB only flew over. WHy did it take so long to come up with that one?

Furthermore, the real rub is that GWB didn't send in troops/help/supplies for the 1st week after Katrina, you still have yet to address that one.

BECAUSE HE HAD TO HAVE THE STATER PERMISSION AND THEY WOULD NOT LET HIM DUDE

But of course that fact is not widely reported because it did not support the story line you carry yet today:D



The feds trump the state. If you haven't figured that out, best to ya. The feds can overrule the states on a jurisdictional basis at any time.

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Suspend the Jones Act!!!



Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....

Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done


Other than as a talking point that some conservatard came up with to further the usual corporate shove it up America's ass... do you even have a clue what the Jones Act is... and why it was put there???

Now run along and check your usual fringe right sources...



(Hint... its about protecting American Economic interests in American waters from foreign intrusion)


What does that have to do with the libertard in chief not yet waiving it? Of course you were reminded by your usual fringe left sources what the purpose was, but did they offer a reason why it hasn't been waived yet?

Of course your post had nothing to do with any point of contention in this discussion except to serve as an opportunity to insult. Many people do that when they don't have a good point to make.


DUUUUDE.. I guess when all you got for "fair and balanced" is FAUX News:S:S:S.. EVERYTHING and everyone not in lockstp with your fringe right mantra looks like a leftist... as you guys have been demonstrating for how many years now????:S:S:S:S

I am sure you have been checking them though.. since at least on anything other than FAUX News you might get a cogent thought...something not forthcoming from lushrimjob.com et al. ACTUALLY I was thinking some of our usual flyover posters got picked up in Kansas.... and got dropped elsewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI

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1) Dilligence to clean up and then repayment of damages? What's the problem and why should the gov not ensure that?

Already exists. They're called laws. I'm not comfortable with the government once again dictating to private enterprise. If the government doesn't like how the spill and the cleanup is being conducted they should take over. I think 20 bil. is a good start but the tab on this will be amazing. What do we do when eventually BP tells us to get fucked? Do you really know what the deal was when Barry met with BP? If I remember correctly Hayward walced out of that meeting with a big smile on his face. Wonder why...

2) Should we leave these poor gulf residents and BP in the same courtroom so BP can walk all over them?

It is a courtroom. No faith in the justice system?

I think BP should have set up that escrow account without being told to do so, but we really don't know what was said and what was promised in that meeting do we?
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Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....

Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done


Other than as a talking point that some conservatard came up with to further the usual corporate shove it up America's ass... do you even have a clue what the Jones Act is... and why it was put there???

Now run along and check your usual fringe right sources...



(Hint... its about protecting American Economic interests in American waters from foreign intrusion)


What does that have to do with the libertard in chief not yet waiving it? Of course you were reminded by your usual fringe left sources what the purpose was, but did they offer a reason why it hasn't been waived yet?

Of course your post had nothing to do with any point of contention in this discussion except to serve as an opportunity to insult. Many people do that when they don't have a good point to make.


DUUUUDE.. I guess when all you got for "fair and balanced" is FAUX News:S:S:S.. EVERYTHING and everyone not in lockstp with your fringe right mantra looks like a leftist... as you guys have been demonstrating for how many years now????:S:S:S:S

I am sure you have been checking them though.. since at least on anything other than FAUX News you might get a cogent thought...something not forthcoming from lushrimjob.com et al. ACTUALLY I was thinking some of our usual flyover posters got picked up in Kansas.... and got dropped elsewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI


Rather than address the question, yet another round of insults. oh yes, and lots and lots of crazy icons.

You risk getting splinters under your fingernails when you scrape the bottom of the barrel that hard.
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Katrina was just a bit different with people dying and all on live TV, why Bush over flew New Orleans at 40,00ft.



At least bush flew over it. Does Obama even know where Louisiana is? Maybe some one should point it out to him on a map so he can visit.

Also, I see he finally got around to talking to Tony Hayward after he was blasted in the media about it. Holy afterthought bat man, maybe it is a good idea!


There was a reason he flew over
Had he stopped there would have been huge delays in getting some supplies in due to the security the President warrants when he flies in some where.

He told the states leaders he would help
They declined until their incompetence forced them to let the Feds help.

The Katrina story was distorted for people like Lucky

You know, those who take the talking points and then only feel about something


This is canned rhetoric not parroted by every conservative who read or heard of Ms Manslaughteress's book detailing why, years later of course, that GWB only flew over. WHy did it take so long to come up with that one?

Furthermore, the real rub is that GWB didn't send in troops/help/supplies for the 1st week after Katrina, you still have yet to address that one.

BECAUSE HE HAD TO HAVE THE STATER PERMISSION AND THEY WOULD NOT LET HIM DUDE

But of course that fact is not widely reported because it did not support the story line you carry yet today:D



The feds trump the state. If you haven't figured that out, best to ya. The feds can overrule the states on a jurisdictional basis at any time.


Wow

You really believe this to be generally true?
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....

Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done


Other than as a talking point that some conservatard came up with to further the usual corporate shove it up America's ass... do you even have a clue what the Jones Act is... and why it was put there???

Now run along and check your usual fringe right sources...



(Hint... its about protecting American Economic interests in American waters from foreign intrusion)


What does that have to do with the libertard in chief not yet waiving it? Of course you were reminded by your usual fringe left sources what the purpose was, but did they offer a reason why it hasn't been waived yet?

Of course your post had nothing to do with any point of contention in this discussion except to serve as an opportunity to insult. Many people do that when they don't have a good point to make.


DUUUUDE.. I guess when all you got for "fair and balanced" is FAUX News:S:S:S.. EVERYTHING and everyone not in lockstp with your fringe right mantra looks like a leftist... as you guys have been demonstrating for how many years now????:S:S:S:S

I am sure you have been checking them though.. since at least on anything other than FAUX News you might get a cogent thought...something not forthcoming from lushrimjob.com et al. ACTUALLY I was thinking some of our usual flyover posters got picked up in Kansas.... and got dropped elsewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI


Rather than address the question, yet another round of insults. oh yes, and lots and lots of crazy icons.

You risk getting splinters under your fingernails when you scrape the bottom of the barrel that hard.


I read very little from this one who is at peace with herself

As this post shows
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The feds trump the state. If you haven't figured that out, best to ya. The feds can overrule the states on a jurisdictional basis at any time.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


I know you don't like that amendment, but it's there for a reason. You don't like it, start a campaign to get it repealed. I'd like to see your slogan.
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The feds trump the state. If you haven't figured that out, best to ya. The feds can overrule the states on a jurisdictional basis at any time.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


I know you don't like that amendment, but it's there for a reason. You don't like it, start a campaign to get it repealed. I'd like to see your slogan.




It's a tug of war, the 10th. When push comes to shove, the feds win. Show me when the states have told the feds to FO and it's stuck. But while you're at it, still avoiding and running from the issues, look at what your source said of Obama:

Medical Marijuana Laws – As of March 2010[update], 14 states (Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington) have passed legislation which permit the use of medical marijuana.[9] California has a proposed November 2010 constitutional amendment which would go one step further, and legalize marijuana use by persons over age 21 for any purpose whatsoever.[10] The Obama administration announced in October 2009 that it advised federal prosecutors not to target medicinal marijuana users, or their suppliers, in states that have passed such laws.[11]

Awww, doesn't that shit on your, "I hate Obama" parade?

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The feds trump the state. If you haven't figured that out, best to ya. The feds can overrule the states on a jurisdictional basis at any time.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


I know you don't like that amendment, but it's there for a reason. You don't like it, start a campaign to get it repealed. I'd like to see your slogan.




It's a tug of war, the 10th. When push comes to shove, the feds win. Show me when the states have told the feds to FO and it's stuck. But while you're at it, still avoiding and running from the issues, look at what your source said of Obama:

Medical Marijuana Laws – As of March 2010[update], 14 states (Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington) have passed legislation which permit the use of medical marijuana.[9] California has a proposed November 2010 constitutional amendment which would go one step further, and legalize marijuana use by persons over age 21 for any purpose whatsoever.[10] The Obama administration announced in October 2009 that it advised federal prosecutors not to target medicinal marijuana users, or their suppliers, in states that have passed such laws.[11]

Awww, doesn't that shit on your, "I hate Obama" parade?



where have I ever said I hate him?

In fact, I've even said "I don't hate the man". But you weren't paying attention to truth. You have your misconceptions to uphold.

This is one place where he has done the right thing. Where the pot doesn't cross state lines from growth to consumption, it's not covered by interstate commerce, and as such, the feds should butt out.

Where it DOES cross state lines, it's a different law being broken (not use or possession), but I still think it should be legalized (even though I haven't smoked any in 10 or so years).
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Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....


Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done



More fun and games:

"WASHINGTON – The panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is short on technical expertise but long on talking publicly about "America's addiction to oil." One member has blogged about it regularly.

Only one of the seven commissioners, the dean of Harvard's engineering and applied sciences school, has a prominent engineering background — but it's in optics and physics. Another is an environmental scientist with expertise in coastal areas and the after-effects of oil spills. Both are praised by other scientists.

The five other commissioners are experts in policy and management."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_commission

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Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....

Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done


More fun and games:

"WASHINGTON – The panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is short on technical expertise but long on talking publicly about "America's addiction to oil." One member has blogged about it regularly.

Only one of the seven commissioners, the dean of Harvard's engineering and applied sciences school, has a prominent engineering background — but it's in optics and physics. Another is an environmental scientist with expertise in coastal areas and the after-effects of oil spills. Both are praised by other scientists.

The five other commissioners are experts in policy and management."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_commission
same oh same oh [:/]
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Yep. Should have been done more than a month ago. Talk about criminal negligence....

Nearly two months ago

And yet to be done


More fun and games:

"WASHINGTON – The panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is short on technical expertise but long on talking publicly about "America's addiction to oil." One member has blogged about it regularly.

Only one of the seven commissioners, the dean of Harvard's engineering and applied sciences school, has a prominent engineering background — but it's in optics and physics. Another is an environmental scientist with expertise in coastal areas and the after-effects of oil spills. Both are praised by other scientists.

The five other commissioners are experts in policy and management."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_commission
same oh same oh [:/]



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Jeez!

See previous comments about Dick Feynman. He wasn't criticized by Republicans though, no doubt because he was appointed by Reagan to the Presidential Commission.

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Mate you really ought to look at your posts from the Katrina days. Obama deserves the same treatment Bush received while he was responsible for the well being of our nation. You defended Bush, I understand your opinions are largely not your own. Maybe a little introspection can help with that.

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Mate you really ought to look at your posts from the Katrina days. Obama deserves the same treatment Bush received while he was responsible for the well being of our nation. You defended Bush, I understand your opinions are largely not your own. Maybe a little introspection can help with that.




They are completely different disasters, one natural, one man-made. One had ample warning, one had none. GWB didn't act for a week, then did on harrassment from the nation. Obama has to let the corporations, who know the most about this, handle this; his job is to lean on them to fix this and pay for this, they are doing that as best they can.

I don't see where Obama has failed the nation here. He is responsible for prudent dealings with this mess, not the mess itself, just as GWB wasn't obviously responsible for Katrina, but responsible for a lackluster response.

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Mate you really ought to look at your posts from the Katrina days. Obama deserves the same treatment Bush received while he was responsible for the well being of our nation. You defended Bush, I understand your opinions are largely not your own. Maybe a little introspection can help with that.



Not my own??:D:D

Well there ya go then:D
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