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Seen anyone OTHER than a fringe rightie like ole Zell "Gorilla Glue" Miller or Sistah Sarah.. or Glenn Beck or the legend in his own mind keynote at the NRA in the last 20 years????

Zell is a Dem.

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Guess what ... there are plenty of moderates that are NRA members

Not according to what you were saying earlier.

"you will find a WHOLE lot of KKK and C of CC types as members of the NRA"

"many of your good ole boys would be voting for on election Tuesdays... after those fun BBQ on Satruday nights. "

Now if you had said, "Some members of the KKK are members of the NRA" You would not be painting with the broad brush you like to paint with... It is only AFTER you are called for spreading BS that you changed your tune.....

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You should just use this as your sig line.

Or you could just use facts instead of things you just made up!

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Seen anyone OTHER than a fringe rightie like ole Zell "Gorilla Glue" Miller or Sistah Sarah.. or Glenn Beck or the legend in his own mind keynote at the NRA in the last 20 years????

Zell is a Dem.

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Guess what ... there are plenty of moderates that are NRA members

Not according to what you were saying earlier.

"you will find a WHOLE lot of KKK and C of CC types as members of the NRA"

"many of your good ole boys would be voting for on election Tuesdays... after those fun BBQ on Satruday nights. "

Now if you had said, "Some members of the KKK are members of the NRA" You would not be painting with the broad brush you like to paint with... It is only AFTER you are called for spreading BS that you changed your tune.....

I stand be my analysis of the NRA... for any good they have done in the past... many of their membership is EXACTLY what you want to deny. They only seem to support candidates that I will not vote for because onceyou get away from the SINGLE ISSUE of the second amendment that some of you slavishly follow no matter what.. the REST of their polical compass are pegged so far to the right on the political spectrum I find it difficult to vote for their embracing of theocratic christian identity horseshit.

You may want to embrace the American Taliban who mouths a tired mantra of "family values" be we have seen just how much they really believe that which they spout yet fail in all too many of their personal lives.

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I stand be my analysis of the NRA.

Except you have been unable to prove any of it. Thus your claim is EXACTLY like the claim I made earlier... Except you actually believe it and I just used it to show how silly your position is.

See a position without any evidence is just an opinion. To continue to make that claim without evidence is the sign of a personal issue.

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for any good they have done in the past... many of their membership is EXACTLY what you want to deny.

No, you claimed the MAJORITY is what you want to try and claim. You are unable to back that position up with anything more than just emotional based opinion.

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They only seem to support candidates that I will not vote for because onceyou get away from the SINGLE ISSUE of the second amendment that some of you slavishly follow no matter what.. the REST of their polical compass are pegged so far to the right on the political spectrum I find it difficult to vote for their embracing of theocratic christian identity horseshit.

You do realize that the *NRA* only really cares about the 2nd amendment positions? It is kinda THE WHOLE REASON THEY EXIST!!!!!

If you are looking to the NATIONAL RIFE ASSOC to tell you what candidate they support in reference to Abortion or some other NON 2nd issue.... You seem to have missed the whole point of the organization... Your position would be like bitching at a gay rights group for not supporting your position on Alcohol use.

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You may want to embrace the American Taliban who mouths a tired mantra of "family values" be we have seen just how much they really believe that which they spout yet fail in all too many of their personal lives.

Show where I have supported the "American Taliban" or admit that you are unable to find it and you are just making shit up.... again.

You seem to make accusations more than you bring proof of anything.

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The problem is.. you WANT to believe that they are not members.. and that is all the counts right???

I never said MOST of them are.. but the undercurrent of sleazebag members of fringe RW groups with christian identity groups as they like to style themselves is there and you can't handle that.

When it waddles like a klansman and quacks like a klansman I guess to you I guess you think its a lamb in white satin sheets.


The NRA may only think about the 2nd... but all politicians have multiple issues they have positions on... and the sum total of most of the people they support equals. support for ONLY fringe right idealogs.

[kelpdiver 2]

The NRA will happily endorse a socialist queer Pink Pistol running for office in San Francisco.

[DaVinci 0]

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The problem is.. you WANT to believe that they are not members.. and that is all the counts right???

I never said that or implied that....Again, you are just making up things to support your position.

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I never said MOST of them are.. but the undercurrent of sleazebag members of fringe RW groups with christian identity groups as they like to style themselves is there and you can't handle that.

Again, you have not shown ONE shred of data to back up your emotional position.

But hey, don't let facts get into your mind. Ya know like how DEMOCRAT Byrd was a member of the KKK?

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But Byrd's record-setting political career also had its low points. He aided the unsuccessful filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act with a 14-hour speech that ranks among the longest in Senate history. And though it never hurt him back home, a more enduring scandal was his membership in the Ku Klux Klan while in his 20s

But hey... that's just the FACTS not unsubstantiated opinion.

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The NRA may only think about the 2nd

The ONLY accurate thing you have said. I think you may be grasping something yet.

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but all politicians have multiple issues they have positions on... and the sum total of most of the people they support equals. support for ONLY fringe right idealogs.

Well, you blew it.

BTW here are some more facts.... A quick Google has provided these Democrats that receive funding from the NRA:

Jason Altmire (PA);
Joe Baca (CA);
John Barrow (GA);
Marion Berry (AR);
Sanford Bishop (GA);
John Boccieri (OH);
Dan Boren (OK);
Leonard Boswell (IA);
Rick Boucher (VA);
Allen Boyd (FL);
Bobby Bright (AL);
Chris Carney (PA);
Ben Chandler (KY);
Jerry Costello (IL);
Henry Cuellar (TX);
Lincoln Davis (TN);
John Dingell (MI);
Joe Donnelly (IN);
Chet Edwards (TX);
Brad Ellsworth (IN);
Bart Gordon (TN);
Gene Green (TX);
Deborah Halvorson (IL);
Martin Heinrich (NM);
Brian Higgins (NY);
Baron Hill (IN);
Tim Holden (PA);
Steve Kagen (WI);
Paul Kanjorski (PA);
Larry Kissell (NC);
Frank Kratovil (MD);
Jim Marshall (GA);
Jim Matheson (UT);
Mike McIntyre (NC);
Mike Michaud (ME);
Alan Mollohan (WV);
Scott Murphy (NY);
Glenn Nye (VA);
David Obey (WI);
Tom Perriello (VA);
Collin Peterson (MN);
Earl Pomeroy (ND);
Nick Rahall (WV);
Mike Ross (AR);
Tim Ryan (OH);
John Salazar (CO);
Heath Shuler (NC);
Ike Skelton (MO);
Zachary Space (OH);
Bart Stupak (MI);
Gene Taylor (MS);
Timothy Walz (MN);
Charlie Wilson (OH).


More DATA that shows your emotional position is not backed and just silly.

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That means the NRA, which sits on a campaign war chest of $20 million, is expecting to endorse as many as 60 Democrats in House and Senate elections, about the same number it endorsed in every national election since 2002 and three times the 20 or so Democrats it supported in races during the early 1990s.

So, once again.... You have nothing but emotion opinions backed by nothing.

But don't let facts influence you.....

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Wow that many huh...
Where is your list of GOP politicians they have supported as opposed to Democrats they have supported over the last oh lets say... 40 years or so while I have been a member of the NRA and able to vote by law.

I do not see a SINGLE politician in your "list" that I could have voted for based on where I live.

Its just what I have PERSONALLY observed in my lifetime..... and that picture just ain't purty..... all the trash literature the NRA sends me supports people I would not give the time of day to based on the sum total of their political positions.

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I don't think I believe that. I know in Canada the majority of citizens still believed in capital punishment, it was just the politicians that passed the laws condemning it. Since then they have steadfastly refused to include it on the ballot.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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I do not see a SINGLE politician in your "list" that I could have voted for based on where I live.

me neither, but I live in a region with a pretty fucked up idea of what the right to bear arms or the right to self defense is.

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I do not see a SINGLE politician in your "list" that I could have voted for based on where I live.

me neither, but I live in a region with a pretty fucked up idea of what the right to bear arms or the right to self defense is.

I live in a region just to the north of you that trusts the good sense of its citizens far more.

No matter how many of the liberal Seattle politicians may wish it... they have not been able to Californicate Washington yet.

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Wow that many huh...

More data than you have provided. You have provided nothing but emotional opinion.

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Where is your list of GOP politicians they have supported as opposed to Democrats they have supported over the last oh lets say... 40 years or so while I have been a member of the NRA and able to vote by law.

Your job to provide data to support your position.

But the fact still stands.... The NRA supports politicians that support the 2nd. That is different than your emotional claim that you have been unable to support.

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I do not see a SINGLE politician in your "list" that I could have voted for based on where I live.

That has nothing to do with your claim.

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Its just what I have PERSONALLY observed in my lifetime..... and that picture just ain't purty....all the trash literature the NRA sends me supports people I would not give the time of day to based on the sum total of their political positions.

Well that is a step in the right direction... Admitting that it is only your personal observations is a big thing.

But personal opinions do not equal fact.

I thank you for your opinion.... I just wish you had stated that before and not acted like your personal opinion was a fact.

Are there people that are members of the NRA that are also members of the KKK???? I don't know for sure, but it would be a fair assumption.

But that is a FAR cry from claiming the NRA supports the KKK. And that is all I was trying to get you to admit.

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Are there people that are members of the NRA that are also members of the KKK???? I don't know for sure, but it would be a fair assumption.

NO shit Sherlock... glad we can agree. I would bet that the whole birds of a feather flock together is a very true axiom for the Klan as long as they get to keep their firepower to protect themselves from all those race mixers, race traitors who are out to get them.

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But that is a FAR cry from claiming the NRA supports the KKK. And that is all I was trying to get you to admit.

Its good you realize that as long as its the single issue... the NRA will always support anyone who is like minded.


I do wonder how much Klan and their uptown equivalent the C of CC's money has swollen the NRA's coffers in the last 30 years.

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NO shit Sherlock... glad we can agree. I would bet that the whole birds of a feather flock together is a very true axiom for the Klan as long as they get to keep their firepower to protect themselves from all those race mixers, race traitors who are out to get them.

We don't agree.

Amazon: The NRA supports the KKK and all the members of the KKK belong to the NRA

DaVinci: Some members of the KKK belong to the NRA, but that does not mean that the NRA supports the KKK.

So we don't agree.... You are making a grand emotional jump based only on opinion with no data.... Even in the face of data that proves you wrong.

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Its good you realize that as long as its the single issue... the NRA will always support anyone who is like minded

False.... Following your logic, then Criminals support the NRA as well.

This is where you should provide data to back up your position.... you know like a statement from the NRA supporting the KKK or something.

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I do wonder how much Klan and their uptown equivalent the C of CC's money has swollen the NRA's coffers in the last 30 years.

I don't know.... do you? Or are you just assuming an answer that supports your opinion without any data?

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NO shit Sherlock... glad we can agree. I would bet that the whole birds of a feather flock together is a very true axiom for the Klan as long as they get to keep their firepower to protect themselves from all those race mixers, race traitors who are out to get them.

We don't agree.

Amazon: The NRA supports the KKK and all the members of the KKK belong to the NRA

DaVinci: Some members of the KKK belong to the NRA, but that does not mean that the NRA supports the KKK.

So we don't agree.... You are making a grand emotional jump based only on opinion with no data.... Even in the face of data that proves you wrong.

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Its good you realize that as long as its the single issue... the NRA will always support anyone who is like minded

False.... Following your logic, then Criminals support the NRA as well.

This is where you should provide data to back up your position.... you know like a statement from the NRA supporting the KKK or something.

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I do wonder how much Klan and their uptown equivalent the C of CC's money has swollen the NRA's coffers in the last 30 years.

I don't know.... do you? Or are you just assuming an answer that supports your opinion without any data?

Ya see that is the whole trouble with those secretive kinds of folks that like the KKK ( some members are VERY secretive about their affiliation but they are quackin awful loud a lot of the time)

You brought up the ACLU before at least they are not as narrow in their support for the constitution.. no matter HOW despicable the group... like OMG..... they even supported the KKK if memory serves.

Do you have any proof at all that the KKK or their "right side of the tracks" version the C of CC is not steeped in the same principles of conservatism as the rest of conservatives????

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Ya see that is the whole trouble with those secretive kinds of folks that like the KKK ( some members are VERY secretive about their affiliation but they are quackin awful loud a lot of the time)

That does not change the fact you are making statements that are not based in anything but emotion.

You clearly have a case of confirmation bias. That is where you only see what you WANT to see and ignore anything that proves you wrong.

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You brought up the ACLU before at least they are not as narrow in their support for the constitution.. no matter HOW despicable the group... like OMG..... they even supported the KKK if memory serves.

I brought up the ACLU as a comparison to your claim of the NRA and KKK. I don't actually hold that belief.

I *DO* think the ACLU has the wrong position on the 2nd....

I base that on their own comments: "The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right." And how they do not support gun rights at the national level (there are a few cases of local ACLU groups fighting for gun rights, the the national org is anti gun).

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Do you have any proof at all that the KKK or their "right side of the tracks" version the C of CC is not steeped in the same principles of conservatism as the rest of conservatives????

YOU made the claim that they are the same... It is up to YOU to provide the proof of your claim. I have provided proof against your claim of the NRA being in bed with the KKK already.

And again, A = B does not mean B = A.

I like to skydive and like guns.
You like to skydive and like guns.

We are not the same in other issues. So the claim that "USPA members are pro gun" is not true.... But you are trying to make that type of claim.

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So are you are a conservative???

The C of CC /Klan certainly purport to be conservative.

They certainly support the 2nd Amendment as does the NRA.

Those groups certainly are not supportive of all parts of our constitution( although I am pretty sure they would be good with it as it was implimented in the late 18th century as it pertained to white males)

Why such a case of denial that the fringe right groups and militias have a stake in supporting the NRA.....certainly giving it more support than many of their fellow Americans. Or does that support only come from Sarah Palin's REAL America.

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So are you are a conservative???

Depends on the topic.

Gun Rights - A citizen with a Machine Gun is not a problem

Economics - The less the Govt does, the more the free market forces work. But stealing, either from corporations or individuals, should not be allowed.

Capital Punishment - Take a life, lose yours.

Abortion - I don't personally approve and think it is a life, but recognize that unwanted babies would create a big problem.

Gay - Let people do what they want as long as they are over 18 and consenting.

Drugs - Let people do as they want as long as they only hurt themselves.

Welfare - People should be given a hand. But if they try to make it a way of life I am fine with them starving.

Religion - You want to chant with your head on fire.... Great. Just don't try to make me join, or make me follow your rules.

So what would I be according to you????

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The C of CC /Klan certainly purport to be conservative.

And if I claimed drug addicts tend to be liberal.... That does not mean all drug addicts are liberal or that drug addiction causes people to be liberal. And without any data to back that claim up... It would be just hot air.

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Those groups certainly are not supportive of all parts of our constitution

Most likely not.... But I know plenty of groups that do not support parts of the Constitution... The ACLU and gun rights for example.

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Why such a case of denial that the fringe right groups and militias have a stake in supporting the NRA.

Waiting on you to provide something more substantive than hot air.

You keep making claims, but provide NO DATA to support them.

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Interesting that YOU keep trying to deny there might be ties ..... between fringe right groups and militia's and their ongoing support for the NRA????? Talk about a serious amount of hot air.... DUUUUUUDE rub a couple brain cells together already. Believe it or not.... not all data for all groups is posted on the internets....

One interesting piece of info about a few conservative dems who support the NRA does not cool all that hot air.....

Have we hit a nerve here ..... hmmmmmmmm

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Interesting that YOU keep trying to deny there might be ties ..... between fringe right groups and militia's and their NRA?????

No, I am asking you to prove them, not just claim them.

Post 59: "The NRA supports the right of ANY citizen to own a firearm"

Post 61: "Unless you can show me where the NRA says it supports the KKK.... You are making things up to try and make this a racist issue..."

Post 76: "Now if you had said, "Some members of the KKK are members of the NRA" You would not be painting with the broad brush you like to paint with..."

Post 79: "No, you claimed the MAJORITY is what you want to try and claim. You are unable to back that position up with anything more than just emotional based opinion. "

I even agreed that some members of the KKK might very well be members of the NRA.

Post 87: "Are there people that are members of the NRA that are also members of the KKK???? I don't know for sure, but it would be a fair assumption. "

So no... I am not denying there might be ties. I never have. However, YOU keep claiming there are ties and have not been able to provide one shred of data to back up your position.

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DUUUUUUDE rub a couple brain cells together already

Best you can do when made to look silly is insults?

Still waiting for you back up this claim you made:

"You may want to embrace the American Taliban "

Please show where I have said that... Or apologize for having lied.

Is the best you do is provide crazy opinions without data and make insults when called on it?

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Both of you cut it out.

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Interesting that YOU keep trying to deny there might be ties ..... between fringe right groups and militia's and their ongoing support for the NRA????? Talk about a serious amount of hot air.... DUUUUUUDE rub a couple brain cells together already. Believe it or not.... not all data for all groups is posted on the internets....

One interesting piece of info about a few conservative dems who support the NRA does not cool all that hot air.....

Have we hit a nerve here ..... hmmmmmmmm

Some of us are annoyed that you keep trying to claim that the NRA as a whole is this fringe group that has members in it. Guilt by association. Not very liberal of you to make such absurd generalizations.

The KKK advocated gun control for blacks. Got anything to indicate the same of the NRA? Don't keep this horseshit about members - show me quotes from their magazine, or from LaPierre. Or the late Heston.

That would be actual evidence. What you're doing here is at pathetic as McCarthyism was.