Happy to be a liberal

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I think they're supposed to generally follow the rules themselves, too, right?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I think they're supposed to generally follow the rules themselves, too, right?

Wendy P.

You mean like giving someone a banning for quoting what a mod posted himself?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I doubt most understand what liberal and conservative really means vs the sterotypes of the terms puked out by their opponents in use today

The formula, at least in terms of how it's normally applied is really quite simple.

If you consider yourself a "conservative", then a "liberal" is anyone who disagrees with you on anything.

If you consider yourself a "liberal", then a "conservative" is anyone who disagrees with you on anything.

If you consider yourself neither, then you're both.

Political logic hurts my little brain. Back to beer....

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I think your political logic is dead on accurate - so far that's the only definitions I've seen that fits all of the threads here.


It's the most fun when you can put out a belief here and half the people deride you as a raving liberal and the other half scream you are a loony conservative

(and the other half post a ton of unrelated links to prove it)

Abortions for all - BOOOOO
Abortions for none - BOOOOO
Abortions for some and tiny American flags for others - YAYYYYYY

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I think they're supposed to generally follow the rules themselves, too, right?

Wendy P.

You mean like giving someone a banning for quoting what a mod posted himself?

Or like Bill starting a post about one of the posters here? The rules only apply to some, not to those in power. (sound familiar)

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giving someone a banning for quoting what a mod posted himself?

That might depend on the context.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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giving someone a banning for quoting what a mod posted himself?

That might depend on the context.

Wendy P.

It did not in this case.
The words quoted were the mods own.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,603]

I posted the words "fucking braindead" in another forum this morning. Those could easily be quoted to sound like a personal attack. So yeah, context still matters. And moderators are still human, too.

The people who push the most tend to get the least leeway. As someone who doesn't push a whole lot, I don't have a lot of trouble with that.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I posted the words "fucking braindead" in another forum this morning. Those could easily be quoted to sound like a personal attack. So yeah, context still matters. And moderators are still human, too.

The people who push the most tend to get the least leeway. As someone who doesn't push a whole lot, I don't have a lot of trouble with that.

Wendy P.

But we DO like it when you push - it is entertaining and more often than not, a slap down!

Sometimes I even get the brunt of it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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But we DO like it when you push - it is entertaining and more often than not, a slap down!

Moi? Slapdown?
Why -- you must be kidding (I just can't put the other into a "you" sentence -- just t'aint right)

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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But we DO like it when you push - it is entertaining and more often than not, a slap down!

Moi? Slapdown?
Why -- you must be kidding (I just can't put the other into a "you" sentence -- just t'aint right)

Wendy P.

Oh - yes - I try to give credit when it is due.

I have been slapped good.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no brains".

[kallend 2,184]

How's that Grover Cleveland fan club of yours coming along?

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OK, I can agree with most of that, but.....

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I'm glad I live in a country that takes care of its soldiers and its poor, even when that means I have to pay more in taxes.

Yea, whatever.

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Something tells me you have no gay and transgendered friends.

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>I'm happy for the same things - guess it's not a 'liberal' or 'conservative'
>thing, after all.

Or you may be a little more liberal than you think!

Or you presume that those 'achievements' are solely the province of liberal thought.

Yes, slavery abolition was liberal, gay marriage is liberal; the opposite are conservative ideals.

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I'm happy to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative: Consenting adults should be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as they don't expect others to pay for their actions or inactions.

Yea, fiscal conservatism has worked well

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Jeez this is what really get's to me. I really, really respect Bill. He's smart, can make great sense out of hard subjects. But it seems that he really believes that if your a conservative you can't believe in what he believes in.

Help us out and show us the moverment that wants to make gay people = to heteros. Oh, you can't, now you understand why it's a liberal thing.

Show us the conservative movement that freed blacks. Oh, you can't.

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I don't think we have a pressing need for more taxation. More taxation will not solve all our societal ills. Nor do we need to lower taxes at any cost; lowering taxes will not solve all our economic problems. Taxes are merely the _result_ of the spending our government does. They are not a cause in and of themselves to be championed or fought.

Higher taxation requires the rich to reinvest in order to write off profits and keep their value. This creates jobs, reinvestment is the positive byproduct of higher taxes; we need high taxes with generous writeoffs.

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So any solution has to involve cutting spending _first._ Then it becomes a lot easier to cut taxes. Unfortunately many people want to do that in the opposite order, and that just doesn't work.

Really? Hoover finally raised taxes in 1932 and recovery then began after 2.5 years of keeping taxes ultra-low and let it fix itself. Show me an example of rising taxes t fix the problem not working as you asserted. Then show me 5.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on the female vote thing.

Woaw, a real throwback here. Thsi explains volumes; don;t ask him about gay marriage. Hey, let's see where you're at: How do you feel about the Emancipation Proclamation?

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>the point that calling yourself a 'liberal' gives you a warm fuzzy "feeling"

Well, better than calling yourself a conservative and having it suck, I suppose. I guess I'm not that afraid to state what I believe, even if people like you ridicule me for it.

>and the idea that the government CAN'T operate with a constrained
>budget (you have to cut spending first, before reducing income) you've
>pre-decided that if we cut the income, they won't respond with less
>spending as a result

That's the "starve the beast" approach. We've tried that. Our debt is now over thirteen trillion dollars. It didn't work. There's that old definition of insanity where you do exactly the same thing over and over and expect different results; at some point you have to think it through and try a better approach.

Right and since FDR the debt has fallen twice:

- 3 years during the Eisenhower years with a 91% top brkt

- 1969 when taxes were briefly jumped

High taxes = debt repayment since FDR. So unless you claim that SS, MEdicare, ect should be slashed, we need high taxes in order to pay down teh debt.

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but either way - cut spending/cut taxes, or cut taxes/cut spending, or both at the same time, or either one or the other - they are all in the direction of goodness. What we all know, is that increasing spending and increasing taxes at the same time (there's your real insanity) is a disaster

Really? History has shown that raising taxes and cutting taxes is the best way to pay down the debt, but if we can have one, it the tax increases that work the best, esp since spending can't be foreseen since disaster can happen, wars, etc.

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Hummm...I always thought Mods were to remain Nuetral!

Oh, as in neutral right wing? I see. Yes, check your opinion in at the door, hate fags an embrace low taxes even tho they are the problem.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on the female vote thing.

Woaw, a real throwback here. Thsi explains volumes; don;t ask him about gay marriage. Hey, let's see where you're at: How do you feel about the Emancipation Proclamation?

He doesn't listen to hip hop.

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/thfvzkchgt--Don't-listen-to-hip-hopTrey-Parker-Chef-South-Park-Bigger-Longer-Uncut-Army-General-

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Something tells me you have no gay and transgendered friends.

how many transgendered friends do you have?

even in SF, they're not exactly common.

(10 consecutive postings, I see, and what may be a repeat of your onion debacle)