jakee 1,596 #26 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI know where you are coming from but his retorhic has caused huge losses for this company. His rhetoric? Not the fact that they caused one of the worst environmental disasters ever, all of their efforts to staunch it have so far failed, they're months away from a long term solution, they're faced with a multi-billion dollar cleanup effort on a scale that no-one yet knows, in part because they've been lying about the size of the leak since day one? Their share price hasn't suffered because of that, but because Obama's been putting the boot in? Quote I all of what he is saying about BP true in your estimation? What has he been saying that you can show to be false? Is all of what he is saying true?? I don't know. What has he said that's false?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuote I know where you are coming from but his retorhic has caused huge losses for this company. I all of what he is saying about BP true in your estimation? when he says they screwed up, it's largely true. But most ofthe stock damage has come from his threats to make them pay for this. And that is also true - he made those statements. So while you may see a shakedown, it's not libel. Or slander. And this I can agree with for the most part But I dont see any President doing what he is doing There are better ways"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI know where you are coming from but his retorhic has caused huge losses for this company. His rhetoric? Not the fact that they caused one of the worst environmental disasters ever, all of their efforts to staunch it have so far failed, they're months away from a long term solution, they're faced with a multi-billion dollar cleanup effort on a scale that no-one yet knows, in part because they've been lying about the size of the leak since day one? Their share price hasn't suffered because of that, but because Obama's been putting the boot in? Quote I all of what he is saying about BP true in your estimation? What has he been saying that you can show to be false? Is all of what he is saying true?? I don't know. What has he said that's false? I dont know either Hense the laws and the courts huh......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #29 June 16, 2010 QuoteI dont know either Then why do you think there's a case for a libel suit?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #30 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteI dont know either Then why do you think there's a case for a libel suit? Why do you think there is not?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 June 16, 2010 QuoteWhy do you think there is not? It is impossible for Obama to get sued for libel for anything he says. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy do you think there is not? It is impossible for Obama to get sued for libel for anything he says. Why?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #33 June 16, 2010 Why do you think there is? That's the way this works - you don't just sue someone to find out whether or not they've done anything wrong - you need a reason.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #34 June 16, 2010 QuoteWhy? Because it would be slander and not libel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 June 16, 2010 QuoteWhy do you think there is? That's the way this works - you don't just sue someone to find out whether or not they've done anything wrong - you need a reason. You said that you dont know and I stated the same We are on even ground here and yes, I know how it works And people sue every damned day whether they have a case or not in the hopes of getting money out of court..... .... ... and they do.."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #36 June 16, 2010 Quote Why do you think there is not? don't ask people to prove negatives. It's a waste of time, and generally impossible. libel requires willful lying and damages done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy? Because it would be slander and not libel. Oh ok......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote Why do you think there is not? don't ask people to prove negatives. It's a waste of time, and generally impossible. libel requires willful lying and damages done. Ok Like Clinton?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #39 June 16, 2010 One thing is for sure. He (Obama) is taking a beating on this speech from both sides AND the media Can anyone remember in recent time when a pres got this big a negative response from a speech?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #40 June 16, 2010 QuoteYou said that you dont know and I stated the same We are on even ground here and yes, I know how it works So you don't know if he's said anything false about BP but you still think it's for the courts because he's driven down BP's stock price? You really don't seem to know how it works.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote You said that you dont know and I stated the same We are on even ground here and yes, I know how it works So you don't know if he's said anything false about BP but you still think it's for the courts because he's driven down BP's stock price? You really don't seem to know how it works. Blah blah blah You have insulted me before and it will make just as much difference this time my friend"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #42 June 16, 2010 Quote You guys are amazing Now its Cheeny's fault for deregulation but Dodd and Schumer get a pass for the current economic mess triggered by Fannie and Freddie Oh crap man Thanks for the laugh +100 Listen Obama won and it's his turn but all you guys that just trashed Bush....can't you at least see that posting stuff like it's Cheeny's fault for deregulation while you ignore the same thing on your side of the fence....just makes you look like you are one sided??? Hell what am I thinking YOU are...my bad.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote You guys are amazing Now its Cheeny's fault for deregulation but Dodd and Schumer get a pass for the current economic mess triggered by Fannie and Freddie Oh crap man Thanks for the laugh +100 Listen Obama won and it's his turn but all you guys that just trashed Bush....can't you at least see that posting stuff like it's Cheeny's fault for deregulation while you ignore the same thing on your side of the fence....just makes you look like you are one sided??? Hell what am I thinking YOU are...my bad. Been a rough week huh!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #44 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Why do you think there is not? don't ask people to prove negatives. It's a waste of time, and generally impossible. libel requires willful lying and damages done. Ok Like Clinton? Dude - If you are going to preach the whole - Bush is not our president any more - thing, then leave Bill out of this. What were you trying to get accross with mentioning a guy that hasn't been president in 10 years?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Why do you think there is not? don't ask people to prove negatives. It's a waste of time, and generally impossible. libel requires willful lying and damages done. Ok Like Clinton? Dude - If you are going to preach the whole - Bush is not our president any more - thing, then leave Bill out of this. What were you trying to get accross with mentioning a guy that hasn't been president in 10 years? you posted willful lying and president A natural that is proven"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #46 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote Hell what am I thinking YOU are...my bad. Been a rough week huh! Yes. Yes it has . . . For Barry.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #47 June 16, 2010 Quote you posted willful lying and president A natural that is proven I believe that was kelpie.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #48 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuote you posted willful lying and president A natural that is proven I believe that was kelpie. ah sorry"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 June 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm just wondering when he's going to get the Federal Government slapped with a libel suit. For what? Destroying a private company's stock value Do you actually know what libel is? Actually: 1. On the one hand, there is such a thing as business libel/defamation. It's an actionable tort (i.e., a civil wrong for which a lawsuit can be filed to remedy). 2. On the other hand, the U.S. government has sovereign immunity against defamation claims; i.e., unlike a private party, the US government can get away with (for example) business libel because sovereign immunity shields it from being sued. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #50 June 16, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm just wondering when he's going to get the Federal Government slapped with a libel suit. For what? Destroying a private company's stock value Do you actually know what libel is? Actually: 1. On the one hand, there is such a thing as business libel/defamation. It's an actionable tort (i.e., a civil wrong for which a lawsuit can be filed to remedy). 2. On the other hand, the U.S. government has sovereign immunity against defamation claims; i.e., unlike a private party, the US government can get away with (for example) business libel because sovereign immunity shields it from being sued. So what you are saying is that Obama could go on TV and verbally commit and dedicate himself to the destruction of BP, in a speech, and cause their stock to plummet, and nothing legally could be done about it?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
