Knock , Knock! , Who's There? SWAT

[diablopilot 2]

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Be that as it may, you'll notice a number of details vary considerably from the article linked in the original post.

For instance, a call at 6am is hardly the "middle of the night."

"Pyles voluntarily came out of his house just before 7 a.m., was handcuffed, and agreed to point out guns and ammunition in his home so police could collect them," is different than, "The police enter your home without a warrant, without permission, without probable cause and confiscate your firearms."

Thanks for ferreting the other article out for us to compare the accounts.

Look up the term "under duress".

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[DaVinci 0]

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Funny how he said nothing of the sort.

He has in the past.

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It does seem, though, that the people who are most vocal about 2nd amendment rights seem to have a tendency towards an irrational paranoia about Obama.

No different than how some liberals want to blame Bush for everything.

[DaVinci 0]

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For instance, a call at 6am is hardly the "middle of the night."

They stared rolling at 3AM.

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Medford's hostage negotiators and SWAT team were called in at 3 a.m. Monday and arrived on the scene at about 5:45 a.m., he said.

They watched his house all night

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Police negotiators and a SWAT team descended on his Effie Street home in the predawn hours of March 8 after police had watched the home overnight

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"At around 9 p.m., Medford police started surveillance at Pyles' Effie Street home, Detective Bill Ford, one of the officers conducting the surveillance, wrote in his report."

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"At 11:45 p.m. on March 7, George summoned SWAT team members to assist with surveillance at Pyles' house and sent Ford to call other ODOT employees for additional information."

And he made no threats:

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Marmon told the officers that Pyles hadn't made any specific threats of violence, but he was concerned about "possible retaliation or workplace violence,"

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"Retzer said he didn't find any threats toward Pyles' coworkers or supervisors or any indication that Pyles would harm himself."

So I guess if I suddenly was 'concerned' you might be a danger you would be ok with the SWAT team taking you in handcuffs to a mental health screening while they confiscated your personal property?

He asked if he was going to be handcuffed and taken from his house....

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Pyles sought assurances from police that he wouldn't be arrested, handcuffed or taken from his home if he came out. He also asked whether he could take a shower before coming out to talk and was permitted to do so. He called Clauson at 6:48 a.m. and said he was ready to come out.

And they did it anyway.

And the ACLU not getting involved is classic. If this had been something other than a gun issue they would be all over it.



Sources: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100328/NEWS/3280325

[kelpdiver 2]

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Be that as it may, you'll notice a number of details vary considerably from the article linked in the original post.

For instance, a call at 6am is hardly the "middle of the night."

for me it would be! That time is the absolute worst time - I'm more lucid at 3am.

Yes, this series of articles had more much detail. A key aspect is that they were written weeks apart, and did not appear to have too strong a bias.

[Andy9o8 2]

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6am is hardly the "middle of the night."

It is for 9 out of 10 college students.