Verse 2~Star Spangled Banner

[RonD1120 62]

Herman Cain lead a Q&A session at the Douglas County Tea Party when a young woman asked him about the attack by the Left on our Judeo-Christian heritage in America...He addressed her question, then went to the last question of the night, and the crowd was not expecting what happened next...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ&feature=email

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Andy9o8 2]

Nice voice.
What some people won't do to get a gig.

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Actually it's the FOURTH verse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

But in any case, so what?

Just because one guy writes a line in a poem in 1814 you want to ascribe that to the intention of the founding fathers of the US? Regardless of popular thought, Key had nothing to do with the founding of the US.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[tkhayes 348]

judeo-christian heritage my ass. I am sick of that phony excuse. tens of thousands of Chinese also helped to found this country. The native Americans were actually here FIRST - with absolutely NO Christian beliefs of any kind (of course until we enslaved, slaughtered, threatened and intimidated/conquered them)

The pseudo 'heritage' that you talk about also enslaved hundreds of thousands of people for centuries. Why was THAT not written into the Constitution....?

If we were found on Christian values and 'God' is the soul purpose of our existence, I expect they would have written that in the Constitution in the first place.

But they did not. For a specific reason, probably MANY specific reasons. And were pretty friggin' smart guys, despite what anyone might think.

Now KNOCK IT OFF.......we separated church and state - and every Supreme Court pretty much from now to the falling of this nation is going to uphold those values....

I live in a country of laws - governed by the Constitution - not in a country of Bibles, where the law does not really matter if you simply 'believe' in some hokey-deity.

[Gawain 0]

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judeo-christian heritage my ass. I am sick of that phony excuse. tens of thousands of Chinese also helped to found this country. The native Americans were actually here FIRST - with absolutely NO Christian beliefs of any kind (of course until we enslaved, slaughtered, threatened and intimidated/conquered them)

The pseudo 'heritage' that you talk about also enslaved hundreds of thousands of people for centuries. Why was THAT not written into the Constitution....?

If we were found on Christian values and 'God' is the soul purpose of our existence, I expect they would have written that in the Constitution in the first place.

But they did not. For a specific reason, probably MANY specific reasons. And were pretty friggin' smart guys, despite what anyone might think.

Now KNOCK IT OFF.......we separated church and state - and every Supreme Court pretty much from now to the falling of this nation is going to uphold those values....

I live in a country of laws - governed by the Constitution - not in a country of Bibles, where the law does not really matter if you simply 'believe' in some hokey-deity.

The Constitution is not this country's only founding document.

In the Declaration of Independence, it states, "...to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..." It then further states, "...that they are endowed by their Creator with..."

Meanwhile, in numerous State Constitutions, God is referenced prominently in the preambles:
CA: "...grateful to Almighty God for our freedom..."
SC: "...grateful to God for our liberties..."
CT: "...the good providence of God..."
ME: "...imploring God's aid..."
IL: "...grateful to Almighty God for the civil..."
MT: "...grateful to God..."
WA: "...grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe..." <--- that's kind of weird isn't it?
NY: "...grateful to Almighty God for our Freedom..."
NV: "...grateful to Almighty God for our freedom..."
HI: "...grateful for Divine Guidance..."
AK: "...grateful to God..."
...the list goes on...

The word "God" is clearly a part of the culture of this nation. The founding culture of this nation clearly has footings in Judeo-Christian heritage.

Does that establish a theocracy? Has it established a theocracy amongst the states? No. God is absent from the US Constitution, not by accident indeed, because most of the States already have it in theirs. The word God is certainly universal enough it, in itself, does not equal "Christianity".

There has been a terrible push to set aside traditions that have harmed no one for generations, yet we are afraid of cartoons offending thin-skinned fanatics 10,000 miles away. There is no right guaranteed to "not be offended" in the Constitution.

It is truly revisionist to state that the founding fathers did not have deeply rooted spiritual beliefs and were not guided by them to one extent or another.

Having wrote all that, yes, I do believe that the founders did intend to not have a singular non-secular framework shape this nation on the basis that all must have an equal opportunity.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[tkhayes 348]

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The word "God" is clearly a part of the culture of this nation. The founding culture of this nation clearly has footings in Judeo-Christian heritage.

Does that establish a theocracy? Has it established a theocracy amongst the states? No. God is absent from the US Constitution, not by accident indeed, because most of the States already have it in theirs. The word God is certainly universal enough it, in itself, does not equal "Christianity".

you almost contradict yourself. God is part of the culture and Judeo-Christian, but God does not mean "Christianity" ??

I find that confusing and I am sure the Buddhists, the Sikhs, the Muslims and the Wiccans would disagree with you - as they all have the same religious freedoms granted by the constitution, but they have no knowledge of anyone named "Almighty God" or for that matter "Supreme Being"

And the Constitution nor the state versions do not have a definition of those terms.

I would suggest that the majority of "Christians" in the USA, that propose that we have such "Judeo-Christian" heritage, and want to see government run more closely to those values are actually talking about THEIR Christian God, from the standard Bible we see in circulation.

And that is evident in the pushes for ID in schools, (They ain't talkin' about the Mormon version are they?), prayers in government sessions (also no Muslim prayers right?), Signs posted all over Pasco County here in FL that say "Jesus this and that".

You cannot have it both ways - to say we have roots in Judeo-Christian beliefs and therefore we must follow those, and then follow through with ONLY Christian values in government when the Constitution clearly forbids it.

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There has been a terrible push to set aside traditions that have harmed no one for generations, yet we are afraid of cartoons offending thin-skinned fanatics 10,000 miles away. There is no right guaranteed to "not be offended" in the Constitution.

Christianity has harmed PLENTY of people. burning witches, slavery, wars fought in the name of 'God', and even most recently, 'purple Kool-Aid' and Branch Davidians conducting child rape.

And I am not at all afraid of offending thin-skinned fanatics, - but yes, maybe some people are. But that simply reinforces my point - if you do away with all of it, then you have no one left to offend.

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Having wrote all that, yes, I do believe that the founders did intend to not have a singular non-secular framework shape this nation on the basis that all must have an equal opportunity.

BINGO! - we have a winner....

[RonD1120 62]

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Actually it's the FOURTH verse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

But in any case, so what?

Just because one guy writes a line in a poem in 1814 you want to ascribe that to the intention of the founding fathers of the US? Regardless of popular thought, Key had nothing to do with the founding of the US.

You are correct, it is the 4th verse.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Star_Spangled_Banner

It is just part, a major part, of our American heritage.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,151]

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Actually it's the FOURTH verse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

But in any case, so what?

Just because one guy writes a line in a poem in 1814 you want to ascribe that to the intention of the founding fathers of the US? Regardless of popular thought, Key had nothing to do with the founding of the US.

You are correct, it is the 4th verse.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Star_Spangled_Banner

It is just part, a major part, of our American heritage.

So important, in fact, that most Americans are totally unaware of it, and some that are don't know WHICH verse it is.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

And, thus my life's purpose is enhanced and expanded.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.