jakee 1,611 #26 June 11, 2010 Quotepeople pay good money to see a song and dance ruetine like this on broadway! Make a claim, then refuse to say what that claim is...toooo funny! Now I know that Turtle is only pretending to be clueless, you I'm not so sure about.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #27 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUnless we are to be able to assume from your post that we should be clarivoyant. Quite the opposite. I clearly stated that I believe it to be perfectly obvious what she meant. Psychic skills were not mentioned. So explain it if you dare. No, I'd rather not play your silly little game. You know you know what she meant, and any pretence otherwise just makes you look like a fool. I mean seriously, are you actually going to sit there and tell me you can't think what she meant? Are you really willing to make yourself look that stupid just so you can attack Obama again? Hey, some people would confuse Palestine with Afghanistan just so they can attack Obama. Look!! Jakee can dodge a question almost as well as you can!-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #28 June 11, 2010 QuoteNo, originally you asked the question of the forum at large. Then I stepped in to say it was perfectly obvious. And I stand by that. It is perfectly obvious. The longer you pretend it isn't the dumber you look. That really is all you're achieving right now. To me, one's "home country" is the country they consider their home. Noting that "home" sometimes has little to do with nationality, place of birth, or residence.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #29 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUnless we are to be able to assume from your post that we should be clarivoyant. Quite the opposite. I clearly stated that I believe it to be perfectly obvious what she meant. Psychic skills were not mentioned. So explain it if you dare. No, I'd rather not play your silly little game. You know you know what she meant, and any pretence otherwise just makes you look like a fool. I mean seriously, are you actually going to sit there and tell me you can't think what she meant? Are you really willing to make yourself look that stupid just so you can attack Obama again? Hey, some people would confuse Palestine with Afghanistan just so they can attack Obama. Look!! Jakee can dodge a question almost as well as you can! Don't let mere facts stand in the way of your hatred for Obama.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #30 June 11, 2010 now you're making assumptions again. I don't hate the man. I've never met the man. I don't care for some of his policies, but that's a whole different matter.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #31 June 11, 2010 Quotenow you're making assumptions again. I don't hate the man. I've never met the man. I don't care for some of his policies, but that's a whole different matter. So noted. Thanks. It was really directed at the author of post#24.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #32 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteNo, originally you asked the question of the forum at large. Then I stepped in to say it was perfectly obvious. And I stand by that. It is perfectly obvious. The longer you pretend it isn't the dumber you look. That really is all you're achieving right now. To me, one's "home country" is the country they consider their home. Noting that "home" sometimes has little to do with nationality, place of birth, or residence. That is pretty much how it seems. You would think that a US president might think the country he is supposed to be running is his "Home Country". That would be like the Queen of England saying that Egypt is her "Home Country".I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #33 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, originally you asked the question of the forum at large. Then I stepped in to say it was perfectly obvious. And I stand by that. It is perfectly obvious. The longer you pretend it isn't the dumber you look. That really is all you're achieving right now. To me, one's "home country" is the country they consider their home. Noting that "home" sometimes has little to do with nationality, place of birth, or residence. That is pretty much how it seems. You would think that a US president might think the country he is supposed to be running is his "Home Country". Are you both genuinely telling me that you think Michelle Obama's remark shows that Barack Obama thinks that Kenya is his home and the USA is not? QuoteThat would be like the Queen of England saying that Egypt is her "Home Country". Which of Lizzie's parents came from Egypt?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #34 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, originally you asked the question of the forum at large. Then I stepped in to say it was perfectly obvious. And I stand by that. It is perfectly obvious. The longer you pretend it isn't the dumber you look. That really is all you're achieving right now. To me, one's "home country" is the country they consider their home. Noting that "home" sometimes has little to do with nationality, place of birth, or residence. That is pretty much how it seems. You would think that a US president might think the country he is supposed to be running is his "Home Country". Are you both genuinely telling me that you think Michelle Obama's remark shows that Barack Obama thinks that Kenya is his home and the USA is not? QuoteThat would be like the Queen of England saying that Egypt is her "Home Country". Which of Lizzie's parents came from Egypt? OH - so what you are trying to equate is that because one of Barry's parents was born in Kenya, it is now Michelle's and His "Home Country"?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #35 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, originally you asked the question of the forum at large. Then I stepped in to say it was perfectly obvious. And I stand by that. It is perfectly obvious. The longer you pretend it isn't the dumber you look. That really is all you're achieving right now. To me, one's "home country" is the country they consider their home. Noting that "home" sometimes has little to do with nationality, place of birth, or residence. That is pretty much how it seems. You would think that a US president might think the country he is supposed to be running is his "Home Country". Are you both genuinely telling me that you think Michelle Obama's remark shows that Barack Obama thinks that Kenya is his home and the USA is not? QuoteThat would be like the Queen of England saying that Egypt is her "Home Country". Which of Lizzie's parents came from Egypt? OH - so what you are trying to equate is that because one of Barry's parents was born in Kenya, it is now Michelle's and His "Home Country"? When did Michelle Obama say it was her home country?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #36 June 11, 2010 Quote Are you both genuinely telling me that you think Michelle Obama's remark shows that Barack Obama thinks that Kenya is his home and the USA is not? I defined what "home country" means to me. (note the "to me" in my sentence) Not what it means to anyone else. You can choose to assume others hold the same definition or not. I wouldn't even assume that the Obamas all hold the same definition of "home country". To Michelle Obama, when she was making the statement this is all about, may have been thinking about where he has family. I wouldn't presume to know what she was thinking. Perhaps you can tell us since you're clearly so close to her that you know her thoughts.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #37 June 11, 2010 QuoteI defined what "home country" means to me. (note the "to me" in my sentence) Not what it means to anyone else. Kind of an irrelevant contribution then, eh? QuoteI wouldn't presume to know what she was thinking. Perhaps you can tell us since you're clearly so close to her that you know her thoughts. The basic purpose of verbal communication is to allow one human being to tell another human being what they are thinking. Leaving aside any useless philosophical debates about the possibility of ever truly knowing the thoughts of another person, are you telling me that you can't combine the words she said with what you know about her husband and come up with a pretty damn good idea of what she meant by it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #38 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteI defined what "home country" means to me. (note the "to me" in my sentence) Not what it means to anyone else. Kind of an irrelevant contribution then, eh? QuoteI wouldn't presume to know what she was thinking. Perhaps you can tell us since you're clearly so close to her that you know her thoughts. The basic purpose of verbal communication is to allow one human being to tell another human being what they are thinking. Leaving aside any useless philosophical debates about the possibility of ever truly knowing the thoughts of another person, are you telling me that you can't combine the words she said with what you know about her husband and come up with a pretty damn good idea of what she meant by it? Wow - you are ALMOST as good as Kallend at diversion and avoidance. Is that because you are finding conflict in your beliefs and the logic of the words she spoke?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #39 June 11, 2010 QuoteIs that because you are finding conflict in your beliefs and the logic of the words she spoke? Nope. Not even the tiniest amount. You though, you're having to stretch. You've just shown that you can't even accurately represent what she said.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluetwo 0 #40 June 11, 2010 QuoteThe POTUS is a public figure, and we all love to make fun of them. I should've stopped here because this was the best post in this thread._______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #41 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteIs that because you are finding conflict in your beliefs and the logic of the words she spoke? Nope. Not even the tiniest amount. You though, you're having to stretch. You've just shown that you can't even accurately represent what she said. Huh. Divert - don't answer. We get it. You can't defend your position because you don't HAVE a position to defend. I'll admit that I mistakenly heard her say "Our" home country of Kenya, when she in fact said "His home country of Kenya". Now - can you tell us all what you think the term "Home Country" means to you, when spoken in the context of the video shown preveously? My guess - You will avoid and deflect again. You don't seem to have the abilty to express your true views.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #42 June 11, 2010 Quote The basic purpose of verbal communication is to allow one human being to tell another human being what they are thinking. Leaving aside any useless philosophical debates about the possibility of ever truly knowing the thoughts of another person, are you telling me that you can't combine the words she said with what you know about her husband and come up with a pretty damn good idea of what she meant by it? I'm telling you that it's not clear what you're getting at and being obtuse really just lets everyone believe you're a troll. I'm ok with that. are you?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #43 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuote The basic purpose of verbal communication is to allow one human being to tell another human being what they are thinking. Leaving aside any useless philosophical debates about the possibility of ever truly knowing the thoughts of another person, are you telling me that you can't combine the words she said with what you know about her husband and come up with a pretty damn good idea of what she meant by it? I'm telling you that it's not clear what you're getting at and being obtuse really just lets everyone believe you're a troll. My word. So you can't tell what Michelle Obama means when you have both her words and a wealth of biographical information about her husband to work with, but you can tell that 'everyone' thinks I'm trolling despite no-one saying any such thing, and only about three people having replied at all? That's one of the most impressive flip-flops I've seen for quite some time.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #44 June 11, 2010 QuoteNow - can you tell us all what you think the term "Home Country" means to you, when spoken in the context of the video shown preveously? I can't believe (and actually still don't believe) that I need to explain this to you, but here it is. It is the country of his father's birth, residence and nationality. It is where half of his ancestors come from and half of his cultrural heritage. It is essentially the source of half of him. When talking about visiting other countries it's only natural for his wife to allude to that when talking about it and 'home country' seems a quick and simple way of covering it. Only a complete idiot, or someone who only cares about desperately flailing for anything they can bash Obama about, no matter how tenuous, would think it means that Obama or his family don't think of him as primarily American. (And it also covers why your 'Queen of England' analogy was so absurd.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #45 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteNow - can you tell us all what you think the term "Home Country" means to you, when spoken in the context of the video shown preveously? I can't believe (and actually still don't believe) that I need to explain this to you, but here it is. It is the country of his father's birth, residence and nationality. It is where half of his ancestors come from and half of his cultrural heritage. It is essentially the source of half of him. When talking about visiting other countries it's only natural for his wife to allude to that when talking about it and 'home country' seems a quick and simple way of covering it. Only a complete idiot, or someone who only cares about desperately flailing for anything they can bash Obama about, no matter how tenuous, would think it means that Obama or his family don't think of him as primarily American. (And it also covers why your 'Queen of England' analogy was so absurd.) If you ask practically anyone on the southwest side of Chicago what they are, they will reply something like "Scottish-Irish", or "Polish-Italian", or "German - Swedish". Of course, most of them were born in the USA and have never left its shores.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #46 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteNow - can you tell us all what you think the term "Home Country" means to you, when spoken in the context of the video shown preveously? I can't believe (and actually still don't believe) that I need to explain this to you, but here it is. It is the country of his father's birth, residence and nationality. It is where half of his ancestors come from and half of his cultrural heritage. It is essentially the source of half of him. When talking about visiting other countries it's only natural for his wife to allude to that when talking about it and 'home country' seems a quick and simple way of covering it. Only a complete idiot, or someone who only cares about desperately flailing for anything they can bash Obama about, no matter how tenuous, would think it means that Obama or his family don't think of him as primarily American. (And it also covers why your 'Queen of England' analogy was so absurd.) see? now that wasn't so hard. so why were you being so obtuse.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #47 June 12, 2010 Quote . . . Where DID those seven extra states come from? What exactly is Cinco de Quatro and why is he celebrating it? How DID he get long list of fallen heros in the audience that day! Go ahead - you'll bring up Bush and his quirky way of speaking - but he is NO LONGER PRESIDENT - GET OVER IT! We should have some fresh material soon too. Because i know some of you out there have some! I wonder if Fox ever did this for Bush. Holy hell they would have needed an hour long segment for his first term alone! BUT, they probably didn't. So... back to the thread.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #48 June 12, 2010 Quote Quote . . . Where DID those seven extra states come from? What exactly is Cinco de Quatro and why is he celebrating it? How DID he get long list of fallen heros in the audience that day! Go ahead - you'll bring up Bush and his quirky way of speaking - but he is NO LONGER PRESIDENT - GET OVER IT! We should have some fresh material soon too. Because i know some of you out there have some! I wonder if Fox ever did this for Bush. Holy hell they would have needed an hour long segment for his first term alone! BUT, they probably didn't. So... back to the thread. I would welcome the comparison. Cause Obama makes Quale look like a smart guy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #49 June 12, 2010 QuoteHoly hell they would have needed an hour long segment for his first term alone! You're correct however, I don't think folks had too much problem understanding where George was coming from. Now, we have the real Barry, and teleprompter Barry. Listen real close when he's off the talking machine.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #50 June 12, 2010 Quote Quote . . . Where DID those seven extra states come from? What exactly is Cinco de Quatro and why is he celebrating it? How DID he get long list of fallen heros in the audience that day! Go ahead - you'll bring up Bush and his quirky way of speaking - but he is NO LONGER PRESIDENT - GET OVER IT! We should have some fresh material soon too. Because i know some of you out there have some! I wonder if Fox ever did this for Bush. Holy hell they would have needed an hour long segment for his first term alone! BUT, they probably didn't. So... back to the thread. yep...the ol "but Bush" arguement! That has lost it's legs..BUSH DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE, HE IS NOT PRESIDENT! why can't the obamabots get past that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites