turtlespeed 226 #51 June 9, 2010 QuoteOnly by saying that everything that disagrees with one's desired conclusion is irrelevant does one indicate an unwillingness to consider truth. And so . . . if someone admits that they don't trust something without investigating it, even when shown evidence, they are unwilling to consider the truth. OK . . . So where does that leave everyone refusing to consider the evidence because they claim the site or source is biased?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #52 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteOnly by saying that everything that disagrees with one's desired conclusion is irrelevant does one indicate an unwillingness to consider truth. And so . . . if someone admits that they don't trust something without investigating it, even when shown evidence, they are unwilling to consider the truth. OK . . . So where does that leave everyone refusing to consider the evidence because they claim the site or source is biased? In a fair trial BOTH sides get to produce evidence. You show that you are willing to convict based on one side only, and that side having a very clear bias. I Expect you would have enjoyed Stalin's show trials.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #53 June 9, 2010 Quote In a fair trial BOTH sides get to produce evidence. You show that you are willing to convict based on one side only, and that side having a very clear bias. I Expect you would have enjoyed Stalin's show trials. after Reuters got busted this week, they presented their side. It was not compelling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #54 June 9, 2010 QuoteOK . . . So where does that leave everyone refusing to consider the evidence because they claim the site or source is biased? Step one - Look for as many sources of information about a subject as you can. If a person only gets their news from one source, it tends to be the source that most closely matches their personal view of the world. While that may seem comforting to them, it has the effect of limiting their view of the world, makes them susceptible to manipulation and rewards the news services to be even more biased. If you look at news on a global scale and you find you believe virtually every news source is biased against your view point except one, whatever that one news service may be, then you should consider THAT news service to be the true anomaly and ask yourself why.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #55 June 9, 2010 QuoteAnd how is that different from your perspective that part of the demonstration that Obama is evil is his failure to do exactly the right thing on Memorial Day, and his failure to display a flag at a particular press conference, when other presidents' similar actions under the same circumstances is irrelevant? When making a judgment about bias based upon the trivial matter of what the pres does on memorial day/flag, and such, I agree that there is no "truth" to be assessed that could reveal bias. Those matters are opinions about what is appropriate, and are subject to personal preference. When making a judgment about bias based upon a willingness of reuters, for instance, to believe sources gaza/west bank and such about the alleged atrocities of Israel, and the willingness to report those alleged atrocities, and the alleged atrocities turn out to not be even near factual, then I think that shows clear bias. It actually shows something much worse than simple bias, but it certainly includes it. Billvon, the clock is a really, really, crappy analogy. As usual, it did not help with understanding of the issue even a little bit.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #56 June 9, 2010 Step something-or-other... Ask yourself if your sources are similar in nature (liberal). What are your sources? There are others besides honestreporting.com that support such info as I have posted. Step something-or-other +1... Try to refute some info from what you consider questionable sources. It is easy to do when 911 conspiracy theorists point us to "facts". Easy to poke big holes through their arguments. Can you do the same here?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #57 June 9, 2010 Quote Billvon, the clock is a really, really, crappy analogy. As usual, it did not help with understanding of the issue even a little bit. Have you ever seen an analogy you thought wasn't "lousy", "crappy" or "shitty"? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=lousy+analogy&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=sundevil777&sb=score&mh=25 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=crappy+analogy&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=sundevil777&sb=score&mh=25... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #58 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuote Billvon, the clock is a really, really, crappy analogy. As usual, it did not help with understanding of the issue even a little bit. Have you ever seen an analogy you thought wasn't "lousy", "crappy" or "shitty"? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=lousy+analogy&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=sundevil777&sb=score&mh=25 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=crappy+analogy&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=sundevil777&sb=score&mh=25 All analogies break down at some point, so by him being biased toward all analogies, he's bound to be right some of the time. Just like the broken clock. His bias proves the point, yet doesn't make him any more credible when it comes to judging them. Hell, he can't even seem to tell the difference between billvon and myself. Why should I trust his judgements to be "true" when he can't seem to get "facts" correct?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteOK . . . So where does that leave everyone refusing to consider the evidence because they claim the site or source is biased? Step one - Look for as many sources of information about a subject as you can. A room full of broken clocks - Check!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #60 June 9, 2010 QuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #61 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Actually - I check my watch against several time sources throughout the day. The problem is that your clocks keep stealing minutes from them and redistributing them.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #62 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Sounds a lot like you're playing the player and not the ball-they get mad about that around here......selectivelyYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #63 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Actually - I check my watch against several time sources throughout the day. Why use several when there's a definitive one (TAI).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #64 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Sounds a lot like you're playing the player and not the ball-they get mad about that around here......selectively I think you, and yes I mean you specifically in this instance, should look up "impersonal pronouns." The word "you" doesn't always refer to a specific person. I'm sorry if you (or anybody else) misinterpreted it that way.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #65 June 9, 2010 Glad I'm not your transmission guy-you must chew up a lot of reverse gears. That was not the least bit impersonal.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #66 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Sounds a lot like you're playing the player and not the ball-they get mad about that around here......selectively I think you, and yes I mean you specifically in this instance, should look up "impersonal pronouns." The word "you" doesn't always refer to a specific person. I'm sorry if you (or anybody else) misinterpreted it that way. What a load of horseshit. There's no doubt "you" mean Turtle when you wrote that. You're asserting he only consults one media source. You want to pretend otherwise, you should have stuck with "one man." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #67 June 9, 2010 QuoteThere's no doubt . . . I doubt it!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #68 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteThere's no doubt . . . I doubt it! Now that's funny in a thread about credibilityYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #69 June 9, 2010 QuoteHave you ever seen an analogy you thought wasn't "lousy", "crappy" or "shitty"? I think I can remember once saying that an analogy was good. Analogies are useful when the content being discussed is too technical/complicated for many to understand. Billvon and many others use them when there is no such need.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #70 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThere's no doubt . . . I doubt it! Now that's funny in a thread about credibility The entire thread has devolved into verbal gymnastics anyway and really has nothing to do with the original topic. Might as well at least have a little bit of harmless fun. Better than the normal shouting matches.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #71 June 9, 2010 Quote Hell, he can't even seem to tell the difference between billvon and myself. Why should I trust his judgements to be "true" when he can't seem to get "facts" correct? That is funny. Woopsie! Anyway, it was such a crappy analogy, I instinctively thought it was Bill's.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #72 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteA room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! This thread is supposed to be about the credibility of Reuters, not crappy analogies involving clocks. I assert that Reuters has really big problems with their credibility and show concrete examples to illustrate my point. You're just searching for the right analogy to convince others that the source I provided is not to be considered because they are biased. Why can't you address the content? All sources are biased. I get info from liberal sources such as NPR, PBS, BBC, etc. Can you admit to regularly utilizing sources that lean right?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #73 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote A room full of broken clocks - Check! A man with one watch always know what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. You appear to have one watch. While that may appear as if you know what time it is, the watch may simply be set improperly. Time to check with a better source. Opps, sorry, I forgot. The better source is from the government and that's against your principles. I hope you know your astronomy. Fucking big government telling everyone what to do and when to do it. It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Actually - I check my watch against several time sources throughout the day. The problem is that your clocks keep stealing minutes from them and redistributing them. Stupid clocks should get their own power... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #74 June 9, 2010 Quote The entire thread has devolved into verbal gymnastics anyway and really has nothing to do with the original topic. Might as well at least have a little bit of harmless fun. Better than the normal shouting matches. Ah, so PAs are fine when moderators are bored and want to have harmless fun? The doubletalk was certainly amusing, I'll grant that. Makes even Reuters seem credible in comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #75 June 9, 2010 Now you got it-you have just snatched the pebble from the hand and are ready to go out into the world, GrasshopperYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
