California: Gun Registration

[skybill 22]

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Illegal IS illegal. So your heroes are, in fact, among the "bad guys".

So what you really should say, but are afraid to, is;

"Those three people who used guns in self defense should be arrested, and their guns confiscated, because their firearms were illegal."

I knew you wouldn't just come right out and say it, plain and simple. I win the $1 bets! Woo-hoo!

Good guys are bad guys. Victims are criminals. That's kallend's world.

By the way, are YOUR firearms registered?

Hi JR,
"Whose firearms registered, mine, yours or Kal baby's???" You know Kal has none of his firearms registered because he doesn't have any!!! Kal baby appears to be your classic Hoplophobe!! The anti-gun male. "In short he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its' promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent Alpha Breed of Males is deemed helpless along with himself will he feel adequate. Indeed his freedom lies in this other mans' containment."
-Julia Gohn-
-The anti-gun male-

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[kallend 2,184]

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Illegal IS illegal. So your heroes are, in fact, among the "bad guys".

So what you really should say, but are afraid to, is;

"Those three people who used guns in self defense should be arrested, and their guns confiscated, because their firearms were illegal."

I knew you wouldn't just come right out and say it, plain and simple. I win the $1 bets! Woo-hoo!

Good guys are bad guys. Victims are criminals. That's kallend's world.

By the way, are YOUR firearms registered?

Illegal IS illegal. Same logic as applies to illegal alien "good Samaritans". Go read some of the illegal alien threads.

In this particular case your so-called "good guy" victims were themselves criminals because they had violated the law, thinking themselves to be above the law. Criminal on criminal crime is nothing out of the ordinary.

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[JohnRich 4]

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You know Kal has none of his firearms registered because he doesn't have any!!!

He was asking around on here a few years ago for a cheap source for shotgun shells...

[JohnRich 4]

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In this particular case your so-called "good guy" victims...

Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered the question.

While we're waiting for that response, here's another question for you:

Would it be better if these three citizens were unarmed & "law-abiding", and were murdered by the illegally armed thugs, because their victims had no means to protect themselves?

The questions are going to start piling-up because of your evasiveness. Best you just suck it up and say what you mean.

[kallend 2,184]

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In this particular case your so-called "good guy" victims...

Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered the question.

How can anyone answer an invalid question? Fix it and I'll answer it.

But it's interesting that you applaud criminal behavior when it's behavior you like.

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[rehmwa 2]

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invalid question? Fix it and I'll answer it.

well, first off, I suspect your 'home town' isn't Chicago, but some nice medium sized town the other side of the Atlantic........(or a little hamlet, or a big metro like London...... but not Chicago)

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[JohnRich 4]

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How can anyone answer an invalid question?

That's the eighth time you've used that excuse not to answer a simple question.
Blah blah blah...
I think I should get to multiply my $1 bet winnings every time you use it!

Isn't it amazing that you can write a long-winded multiple paragraph reply in another thread to explain the complexities of wind drift on freefall group separation, but here in this thread, you can't manage to find any way to answer this simple question. What irony. What that tells me is that you are certainly capable of answering the question, but instead you choose to play games and obfuscate, because you're afraid of the criticism consequences. You haven't got the gumption to just speak plain and true about your beliefs.

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But it's interesting that you applaud criminal behavior when it's behavior you like.

Good guys are bad guys. Victims are criminals. Being glad that a citizen saved himself from criminal attack is evil. That's kallend's world.

Is hanging a 7-year-old boy as a spy okay with you, just because it was "the law"?

The problem you seem to be having is presuming that "the law" always determines what is right and what is wrong. Some of us are capable of looking past that, and seeing right and wrong more clearly, based simply upon what happened, and who the bad guy was, and who the victim was. Sometimes, doing what's right is contrary to the law, because some laws are an ass. That doesn't make what's right into a wrong. That makes the law wrong. You, kallend, are having trouble reconciling that. The gun laws in Chicago which disarm law abiding citizens are an ass. Therefore, when someone uses a gun to defend themself against a criminal, they're not a criminal in my eyes, because the gun ban law shouldn't be there in the first place. And when citizens are able to prevent a crime against themself, that's a good thing, regardless of whether the law approves of the tool that enabled them to do so.

You must look at the hanging of a 7-year-old boy as justice deserved, because it was "the law". I look at that same hanging and see injustice, and weep for the boy who was used as a political pawn under the law. That's the difference between you and me, and I'm glad to be different from your.

I urge you to take off your narrow-view blinders, and see justice differently.

The Supreme Court is about to slap Mayor Daley's gun ban down, and turn all those citizens that you currently consider criminals because they own guns for self defense, into law abiding citizens once again. Not because those citizens are doing anything different than what they've been doing all along, but only because an ass of a law will be replaced with a good law.

[kallend 2,184]

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invalid question? Fix it and I'll answer it.

well, first off, I suspect your 'home town' isn't Chicago, but some nice medium sized town the other side of the Atlantic........(or a little hamlet, or a big metro like London...... but not Chicago)

JR knows my home town. He even posted it on this forum Nov 21, 2008, at 1:51 PM

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[kallend 2,184]

Lame excuse for approving illegal behavior.

You should read the deportation thread to see what people think of criminals who happen to do some good things. Even your usual right wing acolytes agree that illegal is illegal.

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[skypuppy 1]

Correct, so the concept of a "law abiding citizen" having an unregistered gun in a jurisdiction where registration is required is an oxymoron. Hence your original statement is irrelevant.
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Well, if that's the way you want to look at it, fine. Personally, if it's a bad law, I have absolutely no problem breaking it, just millions of Americans with Prohibition in the 1920's, or hundreds of thousands of Canadians who have so far refused to register their long guns in the decade or so since the misguided legislation has been on the books.

And for what it's worth, I don't consider someone a felon until they've been convicted. If no one knows they have unregistered long guns, I consider them a law-abiding good citizen.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[ChangoLanzao 0]

There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.

[skypuppy 1]

The Supreme Court is about to slap Mayor Daley's gun ban down, and turn all those citizens that you currently consider criminals because they own guns for self defense, into law abiding citizens once again. Not because those citizens are doing anything different than what they've been doing all along, but only because an ass of a law will be replaced with a good law.
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And I am hoping that anyone who lost their firearms or was convicted of having firearms under this misguided statute will be suitably redressed after the law is found to be unconstitutional....

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[kallend 2,184]

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Correct, so the concept of a "law abiding citizen" having an unregistered gun in a jurisdiction where registration is required is an oxymoron. Hence your original statement is irrelevant.
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Well, if that's the way you want to look at it, fine. Personally, if it's a bad law, I have absolutely no problem breaking it,

Well, there goes any claim you have to being a "law abiding gun owner".

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[skypuppy 1]

There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.
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You think the same thing about the millions of americans who made homebrew or frequented speakeasies during the days of Prohibition, simply because manufacture, sale or transportation of alcohol was illegal? Including, incidently, most of the politicians who passed the legislation originally.....

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.
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You think the same thing about the millions of americans who made homebrew or frequented speakeasies during the days of Prohibition, simply because manufacture, sale or transportation of alcohol was illegal? Including, incidently, most of the politicians who passed the legislation originally.....

No.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Well, there goes any claim you have to being a "law abiding gun owner".

Not a fan of civil disobedience, I see. Jail MLK and Rosa Parks too!

the right to life is about as basic a right as it gets. No matter what penalties they may receive, they are at least breathing. 'better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.'

[skybill 22]

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You know Kal has none of his firearms registered because he doesn't have any!!!

He was asking around on here a few years ago for a cheap source for shotgun shells...

Hi JR,
A couple a' years ago?? I hope he stocked up, they ain't "Cheap!" No Mo'!! At Wally World Clinton NC a 25 round box of Remington 12 ga. short brass "Game Loads" #6shot will blow hell out of 7 bucks + tax!! Wasn't that long ago the same box of ammo was under $4.00!! WW has 100rnd. boxes of 12 ga. short brass "trap and game" for $23+ tax but it's only #7 1/2 or #8 shot.

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[rhaig 0]

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There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.

You have your beliefs, and you stick to them. Bravo. Seriously. Good for you.

I also hope that you never need to know someone with a gun. (for many reasons)

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Rob

[skypuppy 1]

Well, there goes any claim you have to being a "law abiding gun owner".

Ah, well, I don't think I ever claimed I was a law-abiding gun owner. I did say a bad law can make criminals of good people, through no fault of their own. And I don't see how a municipality can ban something that the constitution guarantees citizens have the right to own. So I don't think a law can be considered to be effective until it has been found to be legal according to the supreme court of the land. And therefore someone convicted by the municipality would still be considered innocent until said law is upheld at a higher court.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[rushmc 23]

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There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.

What law? A law that is now known to be unconstitutional? That same law that will be cut down shorty buy the SC cause they have already done it once? A law supported by an ass hat mayor (and city council) thinks they are above the law?

Ok
I agree

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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The government has the right to regulate sex.

Well, to look at or listen to some people, one might wish they could regulate procreation

Wendy P.

A few of those are in Obama's cabinet

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

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The government has the right to regulate sex.

Well, to look at or listen to some people, one might wish they could regulate procreation

Wendy P.

A few of those are in Obama's cabinet

Funny, the anti-choice crowd seems to be predominantly in the GOP. In fact, anti-choice is right there in the Republican platform.

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[ChangoLanzao 0]

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There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.

You have your beliefs, and you stick to them. Bravo. Seriously. Good for you.

I also hope that you never need to know someone with a gun. (for many reasons)

Not all gun owners are nuts.

[JohnRich 4]

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Lame excuse for approving illegal behavior.

According to you:
Rosa Parks was a criminal.
Martin Luther King was a criminal.
Mahatma Ghandi was a criminal.
Henry David Thoreau was a criminal.

Bad laws deserve to be broken, in order to challenge them and get rid of them.
People who have the guts to do that are heroes, except perhaps in your eyes.

Or we could just have a world full of sheep who blindly follow whatever their government tells them. Shall we talk about other famous names of people who were "just following orders", while committing despicable acts?

You need a better moral compass.

[JohnRich 4]

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There's nothing more dangerous to a democracy than a gun nut who thinks he's above the law.

Since Chicago is about the only place in America where citizens are NOT allowed to own guns, it is not the gun-owners who are the nuts. It's mayor Daley of Chicago that is the nut - they deny their citizens the right of self defense, that every other citizen of America enjoys. A right just recently affirmed by the Supreme Court. Washington D.C. was forced to wake up and allow their residents to own guns. Chicago is the only hold-out remaining. So just who's the nut here?

Was Dred Scott a nut for daring to challenge slavery? Were slaves who escaped to free territories dangerous to democracy because they thought they were above the law and deserved to be free?