California: Gun Registration

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(not necessarily directed at you Dan...)

I agree with John, in principle. There might not be an active move by the government to confiscate guns today, but nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. Once your gun is on a db someplace, theres nothing to stop a 3am 'warrant search' for said guns once they do decide to confiscate them (if that ever happens). History has shown that one of the first abuses of tyranny is to disarm the populace.

You might blindly trust the government, but I (and scores of others) are not so fucking stupid.

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

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(not necessarily directed at you Dan...)

I agree with John, in principle. There might not be an active move by the government to confiscate guns today, but nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. Once your gun is on a db someplace, theres nothing to stop a 3am 'warrant search' for said guns once they do decide to confiscate them (if that ever happens). History has shown that one of the first abuses of tyranny is to disarm the populace.

You might blindly trust the government, but I (and scores of others) are not so fucking stupid.

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You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen. What IS happening is that we are being "disarmed" by having our ability to control our government and our lives usurped by the oil industry, the insurance industry, the banking industry, and the military-industrial complex.

While we retain the right to have all the weapons we want, it's far more important to make sure that we have a strong, healthy government that we CAN trust.

When the time comes that all the gun nuts decide to take matters into their own hands (the doomsday scenario that you seem so comfortably prepared for), they are not all going to necessarily be on your side

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I disagree[/laugh]

You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen.

Like many of your postings, very simplistic and very wrong.

California has already had a confiscation after registration event, and it was only a decade ago.

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There were news stories of police who watched the obituaries in the newspapers, cross-checked them with gun registration lists, and then went to visit the heirs to find out what happened to the guns.

Do you have any examples of this? I did a Google search for "obituaries gun registrations" and didn't find anything.

Thanks.

I know I saw it a couple of years ago, but I can't find it now. Regardless, there are police who will use such lists for ends that were not intended.

And the biggest reason remains the abuse of such lists by governments, who change laws or redefine terms, thereby making existing guns no longer legal. That has already happened too, with California being the latest example. So, given that they've already pulled this bait-and-switch game one, they don't get any free pass from me when they want to expand registration lists, giving them the potential to do it again.

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I disagree[/laugh]

You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen.

Like many of your postings, very simplistic and very wrong.

California has already had a confiscation after registration event, and it was only a decade ago.

Wow! I didn't know that. I guess the war has begun. Did you grab your gun and go to the victim's defense?

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Wow! I didn't know that. I guess the war has begun. Did you grab your gun and go to the victim's defense?

I made sure to get any gun I'd ever want.

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Wow! I didn't know that. I guess the war has begun. Did you grab your gun and go to the victim's defense?

I made sure to get any gun I'd ever want.

So, in the case you mentioned, how was justice served. Let me guess ... through the rule of law, right?

I'm just guessing since you never cited the case you're referring to. Was there a shootout? Did the gun owner's gun come in handy to ward off the government? Or was it civil enforcement of the Constitution that prevailed?

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So, in the case you mentioned, how was justice served. Let me guess ... through the rule of law, right?

I'm just guessing since you never cited the case you're referring to. Was there a shootout? Did the gun owner's gun come in handy to ward off the government? Or was it civil enforcement of the Constitution that prevailed?

It was served poorly. SKS rifle, if you're actually unaware. 10s of thousands affected by a redefinition that turned people who had made legal purchases into potential felons unless they gave their rifles back to the state.

One of the more underhanded approaches of gun control fucks is to create as many potential felony violations as possible so that when people make innocent errors, they lose their rights.

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So, in the case you mentioned, how was justice served. Let me guess ... through the rule of law, right?

I'm just guessing since you never cited the case you're referring to. Was there a shootout? Did the gun owner's gun come in handy to ward off the government? Or was it civil enforcement of the Constitution that prevailed?

It was served poorly. SKS rifle, if you're actually unaware. 10s of thousands affected by a redefinition that turned people who had made legal purchases into potential felons unless they gave their rifles back to the state.

One of the more underhanded approaches of gun control fucks is to create as many potential felony violations as possible so that when people make innocent errors, they lose their rights.

Where's the link? I would like to read the details. From what you said, it doesn't seem like wielding rifles helped the victims ward off the government.

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You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen.

Seatbelt law-When enacted it was a secondary enforcement law-meaning you couldn't be stopped for it, but if stopped for something else you could be ticketed. Those of us that didn't like the law didn't fight too hard because, hey, if you drive like you have some sense, it's a non issue. Then in 05 my state turned it into a primary enforcement law. Now you CAN be stopped strictly for a sb violation. It's a lot easier to fly a law change under the radar than a new law-it can happen again.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen.

Seatbelt law-When enacted it was a secondary enforcement law-meaning you couldn't be stopped for it, but if stopped for something else you could be ticketed. Those of us that didn't like the law didn't fight too hard because, hey, if you drive like you have some sense, it's a non issue. Then in 05 my state turned it into a primary enforcement law. Now you CAN be stopped strictly for a sb violation. It's a lot easier to fly a law change under the radar than a new law-it can happen again.

Having a gun collection won't help fight this.

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nor will your dog.

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Speaker's Corner Fact 16-You know you've brought up a valid point when those that disagree avoid addressing it.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen. What IS happening is that we are being "disarmed" by having our ability to control our government and our lives usurped by the oil industry, the insurance industry, the banking industry, and the military-industrial complex

As I mentioned, I'm not so thick as to think it will never happen. We do agree though, on the rest of your statement. However, I ask you, if we're disarmed then whats to prevent the govt from becoming the tyranny that the Constitution was designed to protect us from?

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While we retain the right to have all the weapons we want, it's far more important to make sure that we have a strong, healthy government that we CAN trust

Agree... any fucking ideas as to how we go about doing that?

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When the time comes that all the gun nuts decide to take matters into their own hands (the doomsday scenario that you seem so comfortably prepared for), they are not all going to necessarily be on your side

Your definition of a gun nut is my definition of a Patriot. And I wouldn't go so far as to say that I'm comfortable with or prepared for what you call a 'doomsday scenario'. However, IF it happens, at least I'll have a chance to protect myself, my family, and possible those who choose not to maintain and exercise the right to bear arms. You, on the otherhand, will have little choice but to drop to your knees and submit. Wouldn't it be better to 'go out fighting for and defending the Constitution of the US' than to drop on your knees and sheepishly submit to the whims of whomever?

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

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Speaker's Corner Fact 16-You know you've brought up a valid point when those that disagree avoid addressing it.

Alternate hypothesis: your posting history says that it's a waste of time to help you understand when it's obvious you're playing dumb. Or just too ignorant on the subject.

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Like many of your postings, very simplistic and very wrong.

Your interpretation of my postings is simplistic and very wrong.

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Your definition of a gun nut is my definition of a Patriot.

That is definitely a probelm.

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nor will your dog.

We are in agreement!

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You worry about guns, and a ridiculous scenario that will never happen. What IS happening is that we are being "disarmed" by having our ability to control our government and our lives usurped by the oil industry, the insurance industry, the banking industry, and the military-industrial complex

As I mentioned, I'm not so thick as to think it will never happen. We do agree though, on the rest of your statement. However, I ask you, if we're disarmed then whats to prevent the govt from becoming the tyranny that the Constitution was designed to protect us from?

I'll bet you Mahatma Ghandi, and Nelson Mandela, and Jesus could answer that for you.

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While we retain the right to have all the weapons we want, it's far more important to make sure that we have a strong, healthy government that we CAN trust

Agree... any fucking ideas as to how we go about doing that?

Vote for people who don't think guns and violence are the answer.

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When the time comes that all the gun nuts decide to take matters into their own hands (the doomsday scenario that you seem so comfortably prepared for), they are not all going to necessarily be on your side

Your definition of a gun nut is my definition of a Patriot.

Well, that is a big porblem.

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And I wouldn't go so far as to say that I'm comfortable with or prepared for what you call a 'doomsday scenario'. However, IF it happens, at least I'll have a chance to protect myself, my family, and possible those who choose not to maintain and exercise the right to bear arms. You, on the otherhand, will have little choice but to drop to your knees and submit. Wouldn't it be better to 'go out fighting for and defending the Constitution of the US' than to drop on your knees and sheepishly submit to the whims of whomever?

IF we were a nation of illiterate morons, then yes, arming every citizen might be the only answer.

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IF we were a nation of illiterate morons, then yes, arming every citizen might be the only answer.

What does literacy and gun rights have to do with each other? The opposite - yeah, there is a relationship.

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IF we were a nation of illiterate morons, then yes, arming every citizen might be the only answer.

What does literacy and gun rights have to do with each other? The opposite - yeah, there is a relationship.

"The pen is mightier than the sword"

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IF we were a nation of illiterate morons, then yes, arming every citizen might be the only answer.

What does literacy and gun rights have to do with each other? The opposite - yeah, there is a relationship.

"The pen is mightier than the sword"

is that the only thing you can find on quotefinder?

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IF we were a nation of illiterate morons, then yes, arming every citizen might be the only answer.

What does literacy and gun rights have to do with each other? The opposite - yeah, there is a relationship.

"The pen is mightier than the sword"

is that the only thing you can find on quotefinder?

Do you know what it means?

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"The pen is mightier than the sword"

We'll see how well that works for you the next time a robber threatens you with a knife,
or the government comes to take away your rights.

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear arms."
- Tench Coxe

"...arms discourage and keep invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use
of them."
- Thomas Paine

"One of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms - just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safe-guard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proven to be always possible."
- Senator Hubert Humphrey, 1960

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"The pen is mightier than the sword"

We'll see how well that works for you the next time a robber threatens you with a knife,
or the government comes to take away your rights.

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear arms."
- Tench Coxe

"...arms discourage and keep invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use
of them."
- Thomas Paine

"One of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms - just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safe-guard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proven to be always possible."
- Senator Hubert Humphrey, 1960

It's always easy to quote dead men to support your case.