billvon 3,118 #26 June 4, 2010 >How about a new federal law that says that each state must make do >with the oil they can produce from their own territory? Sure. Both California and Texas import about 15 billion dollars worth of crude oil a year, so I think you'd be hurtin' a bit. Per person you actually import a lot more than California does, so each person in Texas would have more to lose. But there are definitely alternatives to oil usage, and such a limit would encourage them rapidly. > Yeah, you guys like to talk about how "green" you are, while continuing > to suck up vast quantities of other people's oil. You're living in a liberal > weenie dream world... Perhaps - but it is the same one you are apparently living in. http://internationaltradecommodities.suite101.com/article.cfm/us-crude-oil-import-statistics-by-state Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #27 June 4, 2010 Quote >How about a new federal law that says that each state must make do >with the oil they can produce from their own territory? Sure. Both California and Texas import about 15 billion dollars worth of crude oil a year, so I think you'd be hurtin' a bit. Per person you actually import a lot more than California does, so each person in Texas would have more to lose. But there are definitely alternatives to oil usage, and such a limit would encourage them rapidly. > Yeah, you guys like to talk about how "green" you are, while continuing > to suck up vast quantities of other people's oil. You're living in a liberal > weenie dream world... Perhaps - but it is the same one you are apparently living in. http://internationaltradecommodities.suite101.com/article.cfm/us-crude-oil-import-statistics-by-state Mods don't know how to make clickies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #28 June 4, 2010 QuoteYou wanted to live by the drill so now you can die by the spill . . . Except you ALSO lived by the drill. The only difference is you wanted someone else to take the risk and not drill near you. So, unless you ride a bicycle around and only BASE jump.... you are part of the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #29 June 4, 2010 QuoteQuoteYou wanted to live by the drill so now you can die by the spill . . . So suck it up all you wannabe John Waynes - literally! 33% of America's oil comes from those off-shore wells in the Gulf. That means that you've been driving around all this time with the stuff in your gas tank. So you don't get to blame southern rednecks for allowing the drilling, because you've been promoting it yourself with your driving. Give up 33% of your driving miles, and then maybe you can claim some moral high ground. But until then, just because it ain't coming from your shore, doesn't mean you're not partially responsible for the demand to produce it. Much of the nation's gas is refined here in the Houston, Texas area. We'll be happy to shut the valve on your pipeline if you're so all-fired against oil. How about a new federal law that says that each state must make do with the oil they can produce from their own territory? We'd be sitting pretty and smiling here in Texas. We might have to put up armed border guards on the highways to keep you hippie/yuppie Californians from comin' over here and tryin' to get some of ours. Yeah, you guys like to talk about how "green" you are, while continuing to suck up vast quantities of other people's oil. You're living in a liberal weenie dream world... Let's do the same with clean fresh water.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 June 4, 2010 QuoteLet me get this straight, a big oil company can't fail, but the financial industry can? You must be from Texas. Read it again, that's not what I said.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #31 June 4, 2010 Quote Let's do the same with clean fresh water. I don't know about you're area of the world, but there's plenty of clean fresh water here in TX. I think we'll be just fine still. Were you trying to imply something?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #32 June 4, 2010 QuoteQuote Let's do the same with clean fresh water. I don't know about you're area of the world, but there's plenty of clean fresh water here in TX. I think we'll be just fine still. Were you trying to imply something? OK. If you say so.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 June 4, 2010 Quote>How about a new federal law that says that each state must make do >with the oil they can produce from their own territory? Sure. Both California and Texas import about 15 billion dollars worth of crude oil a year, so I think you'd be hurtin' a bit. Per person you actually import a lot more than California does, so each person in Texas would have more to lose. But there are definitely alternatives to oil usage, and such a limit would encourage them rapidly. Is crude oil imports the best measure? (more pointedly, is refined gasoline exported from any of the high importing states?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #34 June 4, 2010 >Is crude oil imports the best measure? For energy efficiency or self sufficiency? Not at all. I was responding to the "federal law that says that each state must make do with the oil they can produce from their own territory" thing. Oil gets used for a tremendous number of things, including plastics, industrial chemicals, transportation fuels, home heating fuels, military fuels, aviation etc. In practice it would be next to impossible to eliminate all trading of such items - so I concentrated on how much _crude_ oil each state imported. In terms of production, California produces about 240 million barrels per year; Texas produces about 390. Texans use about 50 barrels per person per year; Californians use about 18. Using those numbers, if each state had to live on what they produced*, Californians would have to reduce their consumption by an average of 64% per person. Texans would have to reduce their consumption by 84% per person. (* - Again just counting use as fuels.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #35 June 5, 2010 Quote>.... Both California and Texas import about 15 billion dollars worth of crude oil a year, .... OK, but does the Texas import figure include the oil they import to refine for resale outside the state? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #36 June 5, 2010 Quote Let's do the same with clean fresh water. (or pure grain alchohol) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #37 June 5, 2010 You've been enjoying jumping for 33 years. From what? An airplane powered by rubber bands?*** rubber is an oil based product isnt it? Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #38 June 5, 2010 Quote You've been enjoying jumping for 33 years. From what? An airplane powered by rubber bands?*** rubber is an oil based product isnt it? Roy Rubber bands are generally latex, a vegetable product.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #39 June 6, 2010 The Alberta/Saskatchewan Oil Sands are looking better and better every day. I want to thank all the good people at BP for ensuring a strong vibrant future for those of us who live and work in Oilberta. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 June 6, 2010 Is it just me - or did the OP decline from making any further remarks? I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #41 June 6, 2010 Quote Quote You've been enjoying jumping for 33 years. From what? An airplane powered by rubber bands?*** rubber is an oil based product isnt it? Roy Rubber bands are generally latex, a vegetable product. "Today more than three quarters of all rubber products are made from synthetic rubber[3]. Modern synthetic rubber is made by mixing petroleum byproducts in a reactor with soapsuds which produces milky liquid latex." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #42 June 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote You've been enjoying jumping for 33 years. From what? An airplane powered by rubber bands?*** rubber is an oil based product isnt it? Roy Rubber bands are generally latex, a vegetable product. "Today more than three quarters of all rubber products are made from synthetic rubber[3]. Modern synthetic rubber is made by mixing petroleum byproducts in a reactor with soapsuds which produces milky liquid latex." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #43 June 6, 2010 Quote Modern synthetic rubber is made by mixing petroleum byproducts in a reactor with soapsuds And here I always thought it was synthesized by polymerizing a monomer that has been emulsified with surfactants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roostnureye 2 #44 June 6, 2010 Quote There are only few dozen offshore oil wells here in California mainly because every time they want to sink another one us "liberals" get up and vote against them. There are hundreds and hundreds of off shore oil wells in the Gulf. And now all you gun toting flag waving rednecks are crying the blues. "We've been fishermen for generations and we don't like big gov'er'ment," but now you've all got your hands out. FUCK YOU!!!! i live in florida on the gulf coast. its no fucking joke asshole. we are skydivers, we depend on fuel for our addiction. grow the fuck up and realize this is a real problem not just something to ridicule people with different views than your own pathetic cry for attention. "Cleaning up the oil is making me throw up, I need a check!" Well, cry me a frigging river tough guys. BP will certainly go bankrupt in the coming weeks but don't pine for them as they'll come back under another name. But I'll be damned if one dime of my tax money goes to bailing you morons out. You wanted to live by the drill so now you can die by the spill . . . So suck it up all you wannabe John Waynes - literally! NickD Flock University FWC / ZFlock B.A.S.E. 1580 Aussie BASE 121 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #45 June 7, 2010 Quote Is it just me - or did the OP decline from making any further remarks? Just sayin' . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #46 June 7, 2010 i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/Galaxy99/bp.jpg?t=1275868947... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #48 June 8, 2010 Quote Quote Is it just me - or did the OP decline from making any further remarks? Just sayin' . . . and just waiting . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #49 June 8, 2010 Quotebeautiful :) si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PT-AO839_W3Feat_DV_20100603173355.jpg... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #50 June 8, 2010 QuoteQuotebeautiful :) si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PT-AO839_W3Feat_DV_20100603173355.jpg Hahahaha*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
