SkyDekker 1,465 #26 June 14, 2010 Yup, even have a copy of his typed out confession and the dutch translation..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 June 14, 2010 QuoteYup, even have a copy of his typed out confession and the dutch translation..... Gotta love those old CRANK type phones... or the old crank type radios that you still see in police stations in the third world. You have the right to BZZZZZZZZZZT...... If you have a right to BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT.... If you need a doctor...BBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #28 June 14, 2010 his lawyer was there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #29 June 14, 2010 Quotehis lawyer was there Neither you nor I are in a position to know the complete circumstances of his interrogation. In any event, admissibility of his confession would be only one issue if he was in the US. The other issue would be whether he could ever get an impartial jury, given that the police have bent over backwards to try and convict him in the news media. And I have to admit (confess?) - they've done a pretty good job of it. Anyhow, it's not the US, it's Peru, so whatever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 June 14, 2010 QuoteNeither you nor I are in a position to know the complete circumstances of his interrogation. The notes give a pretty good account of who was there, who was doing the interrogating and who was there from the Dutch Embassy to do the translating for him. What happened outside of what is described in the notes, you are right, we don't know the circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #31 June 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteNeither you nor I are in a position to know the complete circumstances of his interrogation. The notes give a pretty good account of who was there, who was doing the interrogating and who was there from the Dutch Embassy to do the translating for him. They give an account; I have no idea how good or complete an account that may or may not be. And as I said - that aside, why is all this being made public now, and seemingly almost in real time? I guess "trial" is a very different concept in Peru than what I'm used to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #32 June 14, 2010 not sure if i understand all this talk about the interogation...just so long as he's had made the admission that he did it... For me.. the Video evidence, which validates the sensible timing between events,, puts That Kid... WITH the Girl in the casino, then in the hotel... then into the room...with no evidence of any others entering the room, that same way... ( not sure if window entry was possible by another,, or an adjoining door to another room....) But he was Preying on her... for her money maybe.. perhaps more,,, as he's been presented as a jet setter .. and gambler, and that costs $$$.. not sure of his sources of income.. but we're told he extorted $$$ from the Holloway family.... he's bad news, and is unneeded any more , on this planet.... prison??? hell no.. " insane " defense??.. forget it. He needs to pay the piper... he blew it... he was the son of a person of stature,, got to travel the world... enjoy fancy places.... and he chose to ply his trade, as a Romeo..... instead of becoming productive, and following in his fathers footsteps . My gut tells me that if he was into "spiking womens' drinks",, then he has done much more damage than we'll ever know..and so just WHAT level of sentencing would be right???? I guess you can't Kill him.....so i say.. a year for the cumulative ages of those he killed... So there is 40 something right there with what we know of...... and if he admits to more... then we hit 60 80 100 years... real quick... good riddance... jimmy out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 June 14, 2010 He claimed he entered with $25,000 US. He further explains where the money comes from (most of it from some Dutch tv show that paid for info from him or something like that) I think he lists $6,000 or $9,000 from the family private investigator for information regarding the case. Also details how he killed her and that he put on some of her clothes after the killing. He did take the money from her wallet, doesn't seem like there was a whole lot in it though. He claims she hit him on the head first, which infuriated him so much that he elbowed her in the nose, strangeled her with his hands and subsequently with his shirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #34 June 14, 2010 yikes!!! thanks SkyDekker for those details... pooor joran.... I 'got hit on the head' a bunch of times!!!! Myself ,,,,especially as a kid ! smacked across the back of the head usually,,,, and once in a while...kicked in the ass.... It was sorta how we were raised,,, in the 1950's and 60's.. AND I didn't plant a vicious elbow into anyopne.. i didn't strangle anyone. I didn't go berserk and take someones' LIFE! i mostly didn't even respond... since the disiplinarian was my Father...whom i respected then,,, and resepct now. I took it as a lesson learned,, it never happened without justification... and it's severity was never to the point of injury... but it was how kids were disciplined.. and it Worked... at least in the case of me and my siblings.. A man who would knee-jerk react,,,, like that to the bridge of the nose,, of ANY woman...is a beast...has real issues,,,was spoiled as a child,,, has been seeing way tooo many violent movies,,, playing way to many violent videos, has never learned restraint,, in any part of his life... and HAS to be taken down... jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 June 14, 2010 QuoteQuotehis lawyer was there Neither you nor I are in a position to know the complete circumstances of his interrogation. In any event, admissibility of his confession would be only one issue if he was in the US. The other issue would be whether he could ever get an impartial jury, given that the police have bent over backwards to try and convict him in the news media. And I have to admit (confess?) - they've done a pretty good job of it. Anyhow, it's not the US, it's Peru, so whatever. We in the U.S. compare the rest of the world to what is in the U.S.A. From food to laws, whatever. However van der Sloot is interrogated, tried and or convicted is up to Peruvian law and the way they do things. We really don't have any say in it. It might be different if, he had broken some law in the U.S. but he hasn't. We can only be observers. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 June 14, 2010 The Dutch have already stated they are not interested in any extradition until after he has served his sentence. I sure hope they stick to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #37 June 14, 2010 Yup! We'll have to see first if he does get convicted in Peru. If, he is not convicted in Peru, does this mean that the Dutch will once again drop the Holloway case? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #38 June 14, 2010 I was using US law not as a "gold standard" which other systems must either achieve or be deemed lacking, but simply as a convenient frame of reference for comparison and analysis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #39 June 14, 2010 QuoteI was using US law not as a "gold standard" which other systems must either achieve or be deemed lacking, but simply as a convenient frame of reference for comparison and analysis. Yessir! I understood that and wasn't referring to you but rather, the U.S. population in general. In that we don't seem to understand it unless it's 'like in the U.S.' Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 June 14, 2010 QuoteYup! We'll have to see first if he does get convicted in Peru. If, he is not convicted in Peru, does this mean that the Dutch will once again drop the Holloway case? Who knows. At the end of the interrogation he dangles a carrot. Get me out of Peru and I'll "help" with the Holloway case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #41 June 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteYup! We'll have to see first if he does get convicted in Peru. If, he is not convicted in Peru, does this mean that the Dutch will once again drop the Holloway case? Who knows. At the end of the interrogation he dangles a carrot. Get me out of Peru and I'll "help" with the Holloway case. That's his M.O. He tells some 'story' then say's he lied. The authorities are wise to him and take him with a grain of salt. What Dutch authorities should do is 'visit' him in Peru. Then see how talkative he is. Just heard! van der Sloot's private attorney quit him! Noone knows if, van der Sloot will get a court appointed attorney or not. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #42 June 14, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Yup! We'll have to see first if he does get convicted in Peru. If, he is not convicted in Peru, does this mean that the Dutch will once again drop the Holloway case? Who knows. At the end of the interrogation he dangles a carrot. Get me out of Peru and I'll "help" with the Holloway case. That's his M.O. He tells some 'story' then say's he lied. The authorities are wise to him and take him with a grain of salt. What Dutch authorities should do is 'visit' him in Peru. Then see how talkative he is. Just heard! van der Sloot's private attorney quit him! Noone knows if, van der Sloot will get a court appointed attorney or not. Chuck Or if they wanted to, take his sorry ass back to Aruba and have him SHOW where the body is. If there is anything left that can be identified, then the case can be closed, and then ship his sorry ass back to Peru to serve for his crime there, but don't tell him that part beforehand. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #43 June 14, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Yup! We'll have to see first if he does get convicted in Peru. If, he is not convicted in Peru, does this mean that the Dutch will once again drop the Holloway case? Who knows. At the end of the interrogation he dangles a carrot. Get me out of Peru and I'll "help" with the Holloway case. That's his M.O. He tells some 'story' then say's he lied. The authorities are wise to him and take him with a grain of salt. What Dutch authorities should do is 'visit' him in Peru. Then see how talkative he is. Just heard! van der Sloot's private attorney quit him! Noone knows if, van der Sloot will get a court appointed attorney or not. Chuck Or if they wanted to, take his sorry ass back to Aruba and have him SHOW where the body is. If there is anything left that can be identified, then the case can be closed, and then ship his sorry ass back to Peru to serve for his crime there, but don't tell him that part beforehand. There ya' go! Sounds good to me! I guess, if he throws the cops a slider, they could ship his sorry ass back to Peru and put him in 'gen-pop'! What I'm curious about is, one of his 'tales', he mentioned that Natalie wanted to see the sharks or something like that. I'd just imagine, he raped her, murdered her and had his two buddies throw her body in the ocean where the sharks are. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #44 June 14, 2010 Quote What I'm curious about is, one of his 'tales', he mentioned that Natalie wanted to see the sharks or something like that. I'd just imagine, he raped her, murdered her and had his two buddies throw her body in the ocean where the sharks are. Chuck Ding ding ding...we have a winner. Few people realize the shark problem Aruba has. Hotels and restaurants dump their food into the ocean up by California lighthouse in an effort to keep the sharks in that area and away from Palm Beach and the resorts. I've said for years that she, and probably a few others have been fed to the sharks after Joran and his friends had their way with them.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #45 June 14, 2010 QuoteQuote What I'm curious about is, one of his 'tales', he mentioned that Natalie wanted to see the sharks or something like that. I'd just imagine, he raped her, murdered her and had his two buddies throw her body in the ocean where the sharks are. Chuck Ding ding ding...we have a winner. Few people realize the shark problem Aruba has. Hotels and restaurants dump their food into the ocean up by California lighthouse in an effort to keep the sharks in that area and away from Palm Beach and the resorts. I've said for years that she, and probably a few others have been fed to the sharks after Joran and his friends had their way with them. That's what Peruvian police are wondering... how many others? Sadly, we may never know. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #46 June 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote What I'm curious about is, one of his 'tales', he mentioned that Natalie wanted to see the sharks or something like that. I'd just imagine, he raped her, murdered her and had his two buddies throw her body in the ocean where the sharks are. Chuck Ding ding ding...we have a winner. Few people realize the shark problem Aruba has. Hotels and restaurants dump their food into the ocean up by California lighthouse in an effort to keep the sharks in that area and away from Palm Beach and the resorts. I've said for years that she, and probably a few others have been fed to the sharks after Joran and his friends had their way with them. That's what Peruvian police are wondering... how many others? Sadly, we may never know. Chuck You aren't the only one wondering that. Discovery News"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #47 June 15, 2010 Chilean and Peruvian police feel the same way. After reading all the columns and hearing the news stories about this guy, it's fairly difficult to feel otherwise. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #48 June 15, 2010 QuoteChilean and Peruvian police feel the same way. After reading all the columns and hearing the news stories about this guy, it's fairly difficult to feel otherwise. Chuck I agree. He sounds more and more like a classic predator. He had a protected life of privilege, and that grew into a sense of entitlement. By getting away with the stuff he did (when his father protected him), that sense of entitlement was reinforced. I wonder how many other cases his father's influence protected him from."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #49 June 15, 2010 QuoteChilean and Peruvian police feel the same way. After reading all the columns and hearing the news stories about this guy, it's fairly difficult to feel otherwise. That's exactly my point. Assuming you are typical, how could he possibly get an impartial jury? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #50 June 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteChilean and Peruvian police feel the same way. After reading all the columns and hearing the news stories about this guy, it's fairly difficult to feel otherwise. Chuck I agree. He sounds more and more like a classic predator. He had a protected life of privilege, and that grew into a sense of entitlement. By getting away with the stuff he did (when his father protected him), that sense of entitlement was reinforced. I wonder how many other cases his father's influence protected him from. Good question. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
