the global warming scam

[hwt 0]

One of the biggest scams in history has been exposed and none of the media covers it .this story broke yesterday ..read the entire thing before you respond..
http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d27-Scandal-Obama-Gore-Goldman-Joyce-Foundation-CCX-partners-to-fleece-USA

[quade 4]

Yes, because a world-wide conspiracy involving trillions of dollars would go completely unnoticed if it wasn't for the genius of Glenn Beck.

Hmmm . . . something seems a bit wrong with that concept.

BTW, take everything from the examiner.com with a huge grain of salt. It takes virtually nothing for a writer to get his own "beat" there and the vast majority of political writers there on both side are simply copy and paste hacks spouting party lines or just making stuff up. Very little journalism is involved. When I say it takes virtually nothing, I mean you, me or anybody else could sign up and be writing crap within a day. There's virtually no editorial staff to keep the writers in line either.

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[kelpdiver 2]

The examiner is worth the price you pay for it (that is, it's a free daily). There is less subtlety to its viewpoints that Fox News has.

The article was a reprint from an Orange County source, and essentially unreadable. And the link to part II goes no where.

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The article was a reprint from an Orange County source, and essentially unreadable. And the link to part II goes no where.

Wait! There are right wing conservative nut jobs in Orange County, CALIFORNIA?!? No! Say it isn't so!

California is a completely left wing liberal state controlled by Jews in Hollywood . . . isn't it?

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[kelpdiver 2]

OC probably isn't the same place as when I lived there in the 80s - much bigger growth in Latinos, Vietnamese, and the longer established Chinese. The Examiner is probably as conservative, though probably with less latent racism as the John Birchers.

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OC probably isn't the same place as when I lived there in the 80s - much bigger growth in Latinos, Vietnamese, and the longer established Chinese. The Examiner is probably as conservative, though probably with less latent racism as the John Birchers.

Hard to say anything definitive about racism and Orange County, Calif. other than it's an interesting mix of people from around the world. Historically though, Orange County's past is pretty checkered and peppered with some pretty horrific incidence including the John Birchers and even KKK. Small pockets of hate groups still exist and did even in the 80s when you passed through. Most of the conservatism though is religious based with at least a couple of well known mega-churches and numerous wannabes.

Just one example of OC's evil past that still lives on in some.
http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-04-17/news/the-kkk-took-my-county-away/

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[hwt 0]

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Yes, because a world-wide conspiracy involving trillions of dollars would go completely unnoticed if it wasn't for the genius of Glenn Beck.

Hmmm . . . something seems a bit wrong with that concept.

BTW, take everything from the examiner.com with a huge grain of salt. It takes virtually nothing for a writer to get his own "beat" there and the vast majority of political writers there on both side are simply copy and paste hacks spouting party lines or just making stuff up. Very little journalism is involved. When I say it takes virtually nothing, I mean you, me or anybody else could sign up and be writing crap within a day. There's virtually no editorial staff to keep the writers in line either.

go ahead and close your mind because of the source. you could do a web search on this and get a few facts but you didn't ..go ahead and get screwed because you do not like the source , If you bothered to dig you would learn about this..instead you close your mind...

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It has nothing to do with having a closed mind. It has everything to do with not listening to crazy people and taking them seriously.

If Beck had something real to say, he'd say it, but he doesn't so he relies on twisted conspiracy theories and bullshitting his audience.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Yes, because a world-wide conspiracy involving trillions of dollars would go completely unnoticed if it wasn't for the genius of Glenn Beck.

Hmmm . . . something seems a bit wrong with that concept.

There have been reports talking about carbon credit fraud since at least 2007.

Something seems a bit wrong with the chairman of the IPCC being on the advisory board for the exchange.

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Mike
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There have been reports talking about carbon credit fraud since at least 2007.

There have been reports that GWB and Cheney conspired to create the events of 9/11 since 2002.

Something seems a bit wrong with the VP of the US being the former head of one of the companies that profited the most from the war.

Does that make it true?

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[mnealtx 0]

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There have been reports talking about carbon credit fraud since at least 2007.

There have been reports that GWB and Cheney conspired to create the events of 9/11 since 2002.

Yup - that's true.

Of course, that was on nutjob sites like DU, DKos, Moveon, etc.

Clicky from 2007

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Worse, reports of fraud and abuse are piling up. Most recently, an investigation by The Financial Times found that companies and individuals “rushing to go green have been spending millions on ‘carbon credit’ projects that yield few if any environmental benefits” (ft.com).

The newspaper’s environment correspondent, Fiona Harvey, wrote of “widespread failings in the new markets for greenhouse gases, suggesting some organizations are paying for emissions reductions that do not take place.” In other cases, organizations profit by selling credits for environmental projects they would have undertaken anyway.

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Something seems a bit wrong with the VP of the US being the former head of one of the companies that profited the most from the war.

Does that make it true?

That he was a FORMER head, yeah, that's true.

It's also true the Pachauri is a CURRENT member of the advisory board of the CCX.

But by all mean, keep making excuses.

Mike
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But by all mean, keep making excuses.

By all means, keep believing in the conspiracy theories that fit your particular viewpoint of reality.

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[mnealtx 0]

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But by all mean, keep making excuses.

By all means, keep believing in the conspiracy theories that fit your particular viewpoint of reality.

Would that be the conspiracy theory reported on by the Times in 2007?

Or the conspiracy theory reported from Europol (Dec 2009)?

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The Hague - The Netherlands.

The European Union (EU) Emission Trading System (ETS) has been the victim of fraudulent traders in the past 18 months. This resulted in losses of approximately 5 billion euros for several national tax revenues. It is estimated that in some countries, up to 90% of the whole market volume was caused by fraudulent activities.

Indications of suspicious trading activities were noted in late 2008, when several market platforms saw an unprecedented increase in the trade volume of European Unit Allowances (EUAs). Market volume peaked in May 2009, with several hundred million EUAs traded in e.g. in France and Denmark. At that time the market price of 1 EUA, which equals 1 ton of carbon dioxide, was around EUR 12,5.

As an immediate measure to prevent further losses France, the Netherlands, the UK and most recently Spain, have all changed their taxation rules on these transactions. After these measures were taken, the market volume in the aforementioned countries dropped by up to 90 percent.

You want to pretend that fraud isn't happening, go right ahead - after all, it fits

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your particular viewpoint of reality.

Mike
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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

People using their influence to exaggerate the effects of GW, and then taking advantage of the Cap&Trade system doesn't surprise me.

But it doesn't make AGW a scam, this is just people taking advantage of the situation for personal gain.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[kallend 2,150]

Did someone mention conspiracy theories?

I hear that Obama hired illegal aliens to sabotage the Deepwater Horizon oil rig and engineer a big pollution crisis, in exchange for votes after they get amnesty.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[mnealtx 0]

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But it doesn't make AGW a scam

Carbon trading market != AGW

Mike
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[mnealtx 0]

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Did someone mention conspiracy theories?

I hear that Obama hired illegal aliens to sabotage the Deepwater Horizon oil rig and engineer a big pollution crisis, in exchange for votes after they get amnesty.

Hadn't heard that one - did you hear the one where the MMS gave BP permission to drill with Deepwater Horizon last year, even though an environmental impact study wasn't done?

Oh, wait - that one's actually TRUE.

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Last year the Obama administration granted oil giant BP a special exemption from a legal requirement that it produce a detailed environmental impact study on the possible effects of its Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico, an article Wednesday in the Washington Post reveals.

Federal documents show that the Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service (MMS) gave BP a "categorical exclusion" on April 6, 2009 to commence drilling with Deepwater Horizon even though it had not produced the impact study required by a law known as the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The report would have included probable ecological consequences in the event of a spill.

Mike
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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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But it doesn't make AGW a scam

Carbon trading market != AGW

No, it's just one way to attempt to reduce the output of "greenhouse gases".

One that is very suceptible to fraud, influence peddling and mismanagement.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[mnealtx 0]

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One that is very suceptible to fraud, influence peddling and mismanagement.

Just like the 'research'.

Heck, maybe they are just alike, then.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,120]

>There have been reports talking about carbon credit fraud since at least 2007.

Yep. And there have been reports talking about the 9/11 controlled demolition theory since 2003. Reports signed by real architects and engineers even. I guess they're even more credible, eh?

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>There have been reports talking about carbon credit fraud since at least 2007.

Yep. And there have been reports talking about the 9/11 controlled demolition theory since 2003. Reports signed by real architects and engineers even. I guess they're even more credible, eh?

I refer you back to post #13, rhys Bill.

Mike
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[brenthutch 444]

Beck is kicking everybody ass in the 5-8 time slot on cable news. He had more viewers that cnn, headline news, and msnbc COMBINED. ( I am not one of them however I get too much joy watching Chris Mathews twist in the wind). If what he is saying was not true he would be torn apart by the effete media. But all we hear from them are crickets......

Enough with the ad holmium attacks where on the facts is Beck wrong?

[billvon 3,120]

>Beck is kicking everybody ass in the 5-8 time slot on cable news. He
>had more viewers that cnn, headline news, and msnbc COMBINED.

American Idol has even more viewers. They win.

>Enough with the ad holmium attacks where on the facts is Beck wrong?

Sure. Here's one error:

"Al Gore. Al Gore. When I say co-founder, some of the other founders is this guy, you know, names aren't important. It's David Blood, and he works for Goldman Sachs. That's the important part. Peter Harris, I don't have a picture of him, but he works for Goldman Sachs. And then there's also Mark Ferguson, and he works for Goldman Sachs. OK?"

None of them work for Goldman-Sachs - nor did any of them work for Goldman-Sachs when he was talking about it.

Another:

"So, under the leadership of Franklin Raines, they find the technology. Now, Franklin Raines is at Fannie Mae. . . . Well, while he's at Fannie Mae, somebody comes to his attention that has technology, a patent. It hasn't received its patent yet, but it's going to, gosh darn it. As soon as the Democrats are elected -- in fact, this technology receives its patent the day after in 2006, the very next day that Congress was taken over by the Democrats. What a weird coincidence, hmm? I'm sure that's all it is."

Raines stepped down in 2004. Fannie Mae got the patent in 2006. Also, his statement reveals a very basic misunderstanding of patent law if he thinks the awarding of a patent on a specific day means anything significant.

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Beck is kicking everybody ass in the 5-8 time slot on cable news. He had more viewers that cnn, headline news, and msnbc COMBINED. ( I am not one of them however I get too much joy watching Chris Mathews twist in the wind). If what he is saying was not true he would be torn apart by the effete media. But all we hear from them are crickets......

Beck is an entertainer, just like Rush. Does anyone other than his viewers take him seriously? Not a chance.

For the GOP to rise again, it needs leaders to emerge to make their case and prove claims like this. One certainty - it won't be Beck.

[rhaig 0]

agreed. beck, rush, O'reilly... All of them are entertainers that happen to work for a news network.

Fox's statement on their programs stated hours where they report news, those hours stopped when the entertainers took over.

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Rob