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the usual apologists for killing women during childbirth are out i see 
stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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kallend 2,146
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Not only does the USA's infant mortality and life expectancy suck compared with other wealthy countries, but the death rate of women during pregnancy and childbirth sucks too. 38 countries have lower maternal death rates than the USA.
www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/12/maternal.mortality/index.html
How many of those 38 countries have the teen pregnancy rate the US has?
Why don't you find out and report back to us?
It would seem that information might skew your claim a bit and you don't want to prove yourself wrong?
Or did you just not include China?
What does China's inclusion have to do with that?
Are you trying to tell us that even China is better?
www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-sci-maternal-deaths-20100523,0,1072724.story
"Though the U.S. spends more per birth than any other nation, maternal mortality is higher here than in 40 other industrialized countries, including Croatia, Hungary and Macedonia, and is double that of Canada and much of Western Europe.
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Rate or ratio?
"Rate" is DEFINED as deaths per 100,000. Interesting that you pontificate without even bothering to find out the basics of the subject you are pontificating about. It's even in the article I linked.
I guess you did the "hit 'reply to' without reading" thing again.
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kallend 2,146
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What does China's inclusion have to do with that?
Are you trying to tell us that even China is better?
www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-sci-maternal-deaths-20100523,0,1072724.story
"Though the U.S. spends more per birth than any other nation, maternal mortality is higher here than in 40 other industrialized countries, including Croatia, Hungary and Macedonia, and is double that of Canada and much of Western Europe.
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Rate or ratio?
I thought so . . .
you know
This has come up before that the biggest problem with the comparisons between other countries and the US is we count more situtations than other countries
IT IS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON!!!!
You have proof of that?
You wish to take it up with the study's authors? With the medical journal that published it? Be my guest.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
quade 4
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Not only does the USA's infant mortality and life expectancy suck compared with other wealthy countries, but the death rate of women during pregnancy and childbirth sucks too. 38 countries have lower maternal death rates than the USA.
www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/12/maternal.mortality/index.html
How many of those 38 countries have the teen pregnancy rate the US has?
Ok, so let's go with that.
Do you think that maybe has something to do with it? That because there is such a wide-spread emphasis on women working and delaying childbirth that they're at greater risk of dying due to age?
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rushmc 23
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What does China's inclusion have to do with that?
Are you trying to tell us that even China is better?
www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-sci-maternal-deaths-20100523,0,1072724.story
"Though the U.S. spends more per birth than any other nation, maternal mortality is higher here than in 40 other industrialized countries, including Croatia, Hungary and Macedonia, and is double that of Canada and much of Western Europe.
"
Rate or ratio?
I thought so . . .
you know
This has come up before that the biggest problem with the comparisons between other countries and the US is we count more situtations than other countries
IT IS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON!!!!
You have proof of that?
You wish to take it up with the study's authors? With the medical journal that published it? Be my guest.
Have proof of you slamming the US
hell man
just do a search or your posts
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteNot only does the USA's infant mortality and life expectancy suck compared with other wealthy countries, but the death rate of women during pregnancy and childbirth sucks too.
Gosh, this sure is a horrible place to live. When the day comes that my granddaughters get pregnant, I'm sending 'em to Mexico for proper childbirth care.
With luck you won't have to, assuming they can hold out until we have universal coverage here.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
mnealtx 0
QuoteHow many of those 38 countries have the teen pregnancy rate the US has?
Ok, so let's go with that.
Do you think that maybe has something to do with it? That because there is such a wide-spread emphasis on women working and delaying childbirth that they're at greater risk of dying due to age?
Exactly backwards.
QuoteAdolescents age 15 through 19 are twice as likely to die during pregnancy or child birth as those over age 20; girls under age 15 are five times more likely to die.
Sources: UNFPA (2004). State of World Population, 2004; World Health Organization, UNFPA. Pregnant Adolescents. Geneva: WHO, 2006.; 7.UNFPA (2005). State of World Population 2005: The Promise of Equality.
QuoteInfants of adolescents are at increased risk for death. In fact, the infants of adolescent mothers are more likely to die before their first birthday than are the infants of older mothers.
Source: Phipps MG et al. Young maternal age associated with increased risk of neonatal death. Obstetrics & Gynecology, 2002; 100:481-486.
QuoteComplications during childbirth account for almost 25 percent of newborn deaths.
Source: Save the Children. State of the World’s Mothers, 2006.
QuotePreterm delivery and low birth weight are other reasons for deaths among infants born to adolescent mothers.
Phipps MG et al. Young maternal age associated with increased risk of neonatal death. Obstetrics & Gynecology, 2002; 100:481-486
QuoteExperts say that contraceptive use could prevent up to 35 percent of maternal deaths and when contraceptive use increases, countries’ infant mortality rates go down.
Source: UNFPA (2005). State of World Population 2005: The Promise of Equality.
QuoteIn countries where less than 10 percent of women use contraception, the infant mortality rate is 100 deaths per 1,000 live births compared to 52 per 1,000 in countries where over 30 percent of women use contraception.
Source: Alan Guttmacher Institute. Family Planning Can Reduce High Infant Mortality Levels [Issues in Brief, 2002, no. 2
Mike
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteNot only does the USA's infant mortality and life expectancy suck compared with other wealthy countries, but the death rate of women during pregnancy and childbirth sucks too.
Gosh, this sure is a horrible place to live. When the day comes that my granddaughters get pregnant, I'm sending 'em to Mexico for proper childbirth care.
With luck you won't have to, assuming they can hold out until we have universal coverage here.
Yes, of course...because the people that won't go to the free clinics NOW will SURELY go when the free clinics are even MORE free due to universal coverage.
Mike
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POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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kallend 2,146
Of course, there are no teen pregnancies in other wealthy nations.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
quade 4
QuoteQuoteHow many of those 38 countries have the teen pregnancy rate the US has?
Ok, so let's go with that.
Do you think that maybe has something to do with it? That because there is such a wide-spread emphasis on women working and delaying childbirth that they're at greater risk of dying due to age?
Exactly backwards.
So, all those countries have a LOWER mortality rate yet younger mothers which would normally mean a higher one?
Hmmm, then what do you think accounts for the higher mortality rate in the US? The extraordinarily high incidence of Cesarian births?
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kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNot only does the USA's infant mortality and life expectancy suck compared with other wealthy countries, but the death rate of women during pregnancy and childbirth sucks too.
Gosh, this sure is a horrible place to live. When the day comes that my granddaughters get pregnant, I'm sending 'em to Mexico for proper childbirth care.
With luck you won't have to, assuming they can hold out until we have universal coverage here.
Yes, of course...because the people that won't go to the free clinics NOW will SURELY go when the free clinics are even MORE free due to universal coverage.
Human nature doesn't change much from country to country.
Health care SYSTEMS do.
It's not like the US is 2nd or 3rd - it's way down the list (39 or 41 depending on the date of the report).
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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mnealtx 0
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Of course, there are no teen pregnancies in other wealthy nations.
I never said that, but by all means, feel free to make any idiotic claim you wish.
Mike
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mnealtx 0
QuoteHmmm, then what do you think accounts for the higher mortality rate in the US? The extraordinarily high incidence of Cesarian births?
Teenage pregnancy by country
Quote# 1 United States: 494,357 births
# 2 Poland: 30,413 births
# 3 Germany: 29,000 births
# 4 Canada: 19,920 births
# 5 France: 17,985 births
Teenage pregnancy per capita
Quote# 1 United States: 1,671.63 births per 1 million
# 2 Slovakia: 1,112.87 births per 1 million
# 3 New Zealand: 972.491 births per 1 million
# 4 Hungary: 916.858 births per 1 million
# 5 Iceland: 889.677 births per 1 million
YOU figure it out.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I thought so . . .
you know
This has come up before that the biggest problem with the comparisons between other countries and the US is we count more situtations than other countries
IT IS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON!!!!
That does not matter to kallend
all he want to do is work with Obama to slam the US
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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