Mexican hypocrites.

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AS much as I abhor the new law in Arizona... I have to send out a big WTF to the Mexican government whining about it. They go a HELL of a lot farther towards some really screwed up police state shit, if you have ever been there and experienced truly inspired police corruption .
The Mexican laws on so many things are diametrically opposite to what our laws are.... Just try BUYING land there as a non Mexican citizen. They already have laws on the books similar to Arizona.. although they take it to great extremes compared to the paltry deport them home that we go for.

Other side of the Border

TULTITLN, Mexico — Arizona's new law forcing local police to take a greater role in enforcing immigration law has caused a lot of criticism from Mexico, the largest single source of illegal immigrants in the United States.
But in Mexico, illegal immigrants receive terrible treatment from corrupt Mexican authorities, say people involved in the system.

And Mexico has a law that is no different from Arizona's that empowers local police to check the immigration documents of people suspected of not being in the country legally.

"There (in the United States), they'll deport you," Hector Vázquez, an illegal immigrant from Honduras, said as he rested in a makeshift camp with other migrants under a highway bridge in Tultitlán. "In Mexico they'll probably let you go, but they'll beat you up and steal everything you've got first."

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AS much as I abhor the new law in Arizona... I have to send out a big WTF to the Mexican government whining about it. They go a HELL of a lot farther towards some really screwed up police state shit, if you have ever been there and experienced truly inspired police corruption .
The Mexican laws on so many things are diametrically opposite to what our laws are.... Just try BUYING land there as a non Mexican citizen. They already have laws on the books similar to Arizona.. although they take it to great extremes compared to the paltry deport them home that we go for.

Other side of the Border

TULTITLN, Mexico — Arizona's new law forcing local police to take a greater role in enforcing immigration law has caused a lot of criticism from Mexico, the largest single source of illegal immigrants in the United States.
But in Mexico, illegal immigrants receive terrible treatment from corrupt Mexican authorities, say people involved in the system.

And Mexico has a law that is no different from Arizona's that empowers local police to check the immigration documents of people suspected of not being in the country legally.

"There (in the United States), they'll deport you," Hector Vázquez, an illegal immigrant from Honduras, said as he rested in a makeshift camp with other migrants under a highway bridge in Tultitlán. "In Mexico they'll probably let you go, but they'll beat you up and steal everything you've got first."[/reply

The Mexican government gets their panties in a wad because we won't take them all in so they don't have to deal with them. I'm tired of people in this country wanting to save and protect them. They're illegally here, they're breaking our laws. I am so much in favor of sealing our border so we can get control of it and better regulate who comes into this country. It's not our problem that their country is so corrupt. We've tried many, many times to help them and the money winds-up somewhere other than where it was intended to go. Once again, if, they want to come here... let them do it the right way or they can stay home. Mexico has no say in how we run our country. They damned sure don't want us telling them how to run their country. They don't like it... too damned bad!


Chuck

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AS much as I abhor the new law in Arizona... I have to send out a big WTF to the Mexican government whining about it. They go a HELL of a lot farther towards some really screwed up police state shit, if you have ever been there and experienced truly inspired police corruption .
The Mexican laws on so many things are diametrically opposite to what our laws are.... Just try BUYING land there as a non Mexican citizen. They already have laws on the books similar to Arizona.. although they take it to great extremes compared to the paltry deport them home that we go for.

Other side of the Border

TULTITLN, Mexico — Arizona's new law forcing local police to take a greater role in enforcing immigration law has caused a lot of criticism from Mexico, the largest single source of illegal immigrants in the United States.
But in Mexico, illegal immigrants receive terrible treatment from corrupt Mexican authorities, say people involved in the system.

And Mexico has a law that is no different from Arizona's that empowers local police to check the immigration documents of people suspected of not being in the country legally.

"There (in the United States), they'll deport you," Hector Vázquez, an illegal immigrant from Honduras, said as he rested in a makeshift camp with other migrants under a highway bridge in Tultitlán. "In Mexico they'll probably let you go, but they'll beat you up and steal everything you've got first."

Heh - yep - Corruption.

It was many years ago, and I was in Juarez. I had driven across the border as many of us did to have a good time and go to the clubs there at the "Strip"

I was pulled over and detained by the local cops . . . for going through a green light.

He smiled and said that he would be taking my liscense plate with him and he will meet me back there in 1 hour so that I can pay the fine of 175 US dollars.

Fun stuff.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

I really am with you on this one Chuck... But I do believe the Arizona Law is just goat fuck stupid. They are targeting the wrong people. Too many American citizens like the guy from Chicago will get caught up in this dumb ass way they are going about this.


Enforce the existing laws on immigration....

Put those who benefit the most from the illegals..... the people who hire them... where they belong.. JAIL... not the boardrooms across America.

Impliment a guest worker program thru the various unemployment agencies across the country. If jobs are not taken by American workers after being up for a given amount of time for those agricultural jobs, give the jobs to the guest workers. I would not even mind putting those who have already entered into the pool as long as they leave first and go home. I would also make another requirement.... LEARN ENGLISH....like everyone else who came to this ENGLISH speaking country has to do.

Have the employers pull from an available pool of guest workers willing to come and work. Have the Employers pay for the transportation to and from the job. If the guest worker does not have the state supplied visa to work... they will not be hired...and make the paperwork very hard to forge and the penalties of having false paperwork VERY harsh, such as losing the right to EVER enter the country again. That goes for ANYone entering on a tourist visa and staying.... they forfeit any right to ever return.

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But doesn't it point out exactly why WE need to be so much better than that?

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[Amazon 7]

We DO.. that is why I don't want OUR police to start acting like those goat fuckers down there.

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M'am, I couldn't agree more. The local PD's and Sheriff's offices do have the authority to uphold the Federal laws. The way i see it, Arizona is trying to do something about the problem. At the very least, they're getting attention from Washington in regard to the problem. Like you, I don't want to see the police there become a joke.
My wife, works security for a company that owns some huge greenhouses in the area. All their workers are Mexican Nationals. Every day, vans pick them up at the border in Presidio and take them back each night. It works! We've had other 'worker programs' in the past that worked. Businesses chose to skirt the laws and those programs failed. Your suggestion is a damned good one.


Chuck

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But doesn't it point out exactly why WE need to be so much better than that?

We are. Amazon has a basic good idea, we can be compassionate and helpful without being as goat-fuck stupid about border security as we've been for years.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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I was pulled over and detained by the local cops . . . for going through a green light.

This is why in San Diego, nearly everyone parks and walks across. That and the fact that this is one of the most crowded border crossings, nasty traffic.

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I was pulled over and detained by the local cops . . . for going through a green light.

This is why in San Diego, nearly everyone parks and walks across. That and the fact that this is one of the most crowded border crossings, nasty traffic.

Did as many do that just over 20 years ago?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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But doesn't it point out exactly why WE need to be so much better than that?

We are. Amazon has a basic good idea, we can be compassionate and helpful without being as goat-fuck stupid about border security as we've been for years.[/repl

To the point that small towns, on THIS side of the border are being intimidated, school busses are being followed by drug cartel members and school activities are being cancelled because of it.


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last time I did it was in 1998, so probably.

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last time I did it was in 1998, so probably.

Juarez and TJ are two copmpletely different atmospheres.

It was safer to drive over than to walk. You didn't have to round up quite as many people to go with you for safety. There was a lot of knifing on the bridge.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Well, so much for my career goal of slinging a leaf-blower in Chihuahua. Bastards.

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When I was in the army I just got back from being in the field for 45 days in Alamogordo, New Mexico. We were going to drive back to Louisiana the next day so several members of our unit went over the border to Juarez, Mexico. I just hung out at a club in El Paso with the rest of my buddies. Well two sergeants from our unit (both black guys) were coming back across the border and they were both pretty drunk. The border guards asked them their country of origin and both of the decided to be dumbasses and say they were from Sweden...Yeah two black guys with southern accents from Sweden huh. Yeah they were detained for 3 freaking days until our CO was finally able to get them released back to our unit already back in Lousiana. So if all you have to do is say youre from a different country that what you look like you are then you will get thrown in a mexican jail for sure. I'm not saying the two SSGt's were right, but I am saying it doesn't take a lot to get thrown in a mexican jail.

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How much money leaves the American economy and enters the Mexican economy from illegal immigrants working and sending money home?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Both legal and illegal immigrants do that. It would be tough to track, I'm sure.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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>How much money leaves the American economy and enters the Mexican
>economy from illegal immigrants working and sending money home?

Probably a lot. How many US farms are saved by having cheap labor available? How many US stores are supported by illegal immigrants? How many border patrol agents have jobs because of them? How much in taxes do they pay, and how much would taxes have to rise if they weren't paying them?

There are some complex economic issues associated with illegal immigration. "There will be so much more money in my pocket if they deported all those damn illegals" doesn't really work. (Not that you're sayig that, but I hear that a lot from right-wingers.)

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>How much money leaves the American economy and enters the Mexican
>economy from illegal immigrants working and sending money home?

Probably a lot. How many US farms are saved by having cheap labor available? How many US stores are supported by illegal immigrants? How many border patrol agents have jobs because of them? How much in taxes do they pay, and how much would taxes have to rise if they weren't paying them?

There are some complex economic issues associated with illegal immigration. "There will be so much more money in my pocket if they deported all those damn illegals" doesn't really work. (Not that you're sayig that, but I hear that a lot from right-wingers.)

I'm saying that a reason Mexican politicians might be whining is because they don't want less money in their pockets. The same reasons American politicians whine ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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There's a movie Called ' A Day Without A Mexican'
It's about how we take for granted all the mundane work mexicans do to ensure we don't have to.

Paul

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

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>I'm saying that a reason Mexican politicians might be whining is
>because they don't want less money in their pockets.

I think it's more likely that they whine to get re-elected, just like American politicans do.

"We support all you guys, and all your friends and families, who want to go to the US without being harassed by their draconian and evil Border Patrol!"

"Obey the laws of the United States or else."

Which Mexican politician will get re-elected?

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There are some complex economic issues associated with illegal immigration. "There will be so much more money in my pocket if they deported all those damn illegals" doesn't really work. (Not that you're sayig that, but I hear that a lot from right-wingers.)

No - it really wouldn't work that way immediately.

The law would be being followed though. Why are so many people against that basic premise?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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>No - it really wouldn't work that way immediately.

I agree!

>The law would be being followed though.

Also agreed. It may cost us, but that's a price we have to be willing to pay.

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>No - it really wouldn't work that way immediately.

I agree!

>The law would be being followed though.

Also agreed. It may cost us, but that's a price we have to be willing to pay.

It will work out better in the long run.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Something I don't understand... all these illegals, along with white protestors, chant their displeasure with the laws in Spanish and wave Mexican flags!? Seems to me, if, they want to stay in the U.S., they'd wave U.S. flags and shout in English. This tells me, they want it both ways and don't want to learn English or support OUR flag.


Chuck