maadmax 0
billvon 3,090
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>And you, of course, don't need any faith to believe what the scientists are
> telling you is correct do you?
?? No, because you don't need to have faith. You can prove all those things to yourself if you are intelligent, skilled and dedicated enough.
Don't "believe" in greenhouse gas forcing? You can do all the basic experiments yourself. Don't "believe" in gravity? You can prove to yourself that it works. Don't "believe" in Boyle's Law? You can get a SCUBA tank and do all sorts of experiments. Belief not required.
Or, if you prefer not to, then you can take someone else's word for it. Your choice.
> telling you is correct do you?
?? No, because you don't need to have faith. You can prove all those things to yourself if you are intelligent, skilled and dedicated enough.
Don't "believe" in greenhouse gas forcing? You can do all the basic experiments yourself. Don't "believe" in gravity? You can prove to yourself that it works. Don't "believe" in Boyle's Law? You can get a SCUBA tank and do all sorts of experiments. Belief not required.
Or, if you prefer not to, then you can take someone else's word for it. Your choice.
jakee 1,571
Because when you get down to it, reality is all that we will ever have. Faith has nothing to do with reality. Reality (unlike superstitions) is something that even when you stop beleiving in it, does not go away.
There is no difference between religious faith and superstitions, they are the same. Each one thinks that the natural order of the world can be magicaly affected by ones actions.
Say whaaaat...
Which bit of that are you having trouble with?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
kallend 2,117
Which God would that be? There are thousands to choose from.
I can sympathize with your dilemma. But in my case it was easy, it was the God that chose me.
So we're supposed to believe that your hallucinations are evidence of reality?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
maadmax 0
>And you, of course, don't need any faith to believe what the scientists are
> telling you is correct do you?
?? No, because you don't need to have faith. You can prove all those things to yourself if you are intelligent, skilled and dedicated enough.
Reproducing simple science experiments is a long cry away from piecing together eternity and the moral structure of the universe.
billvon 3,090
>Reproducing simple science experiments is a long cry away from piecing
>together eternity and the moral structure of the universe.
Of course. Science experiments tell you nothing about any sort of moral structure. They simply prove that what scientists tell you is true, with no faith required.
>together eternity and the moral structure of the universe.
Of course. Science experiments tell you nothing about any sort of moral structure. They simply prove that what scientists tell you is true, with no faith required.
maadmax 0
So we're supposed to believe that your hallucinations are evidence of reality?
My spiritual perceptions are personal and probably have little value to anyone else. But if you perceive a void in your life and by chance see someone who has that void filled. Their source of strength is available to you.
Shotgun 1
But if you perceive a void in your life and by chance see someone who has that void filled. Their source of strength is available to you.
Observing what works for other people and putting it to use yourself. That's science right there. (Though I think that belief in a god only works if one actually believes, so in this case, what works for some people will not work for others.)
wmw999 2,560
I don't usually do this, but it's been bugging me every time I see this thread.
It's irrefutable. Unrefutable is not a word.
That is all 
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
Bolas 5
I don't usually do this, but it's been bugging me every time I see this thread.
It's irrefutable. Unrefutable is not a word.
That is all
Wendy P.
Irregardless...
Interesting article...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/wayoflife/06/03/o.faith.gene/index.html
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
kallend 2,117
Don't misunderestimate Wendy!
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
turtlespeed 226
>Reproducing simple science experiments is a long cry away from piecing
>together eternity and the moral structure of the universe.
Of course. Science experiments tell you nothing about any sort of moral structure. They simply prove that what scientists tell you is true, with no faith required.
Ok - so list the ingredients and processes needed to recreate the big bang to prove that it really happened.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
billvon 3,090
>Ok - so list the ingredients and processes needed to recreate the big
>bang to prove that it really happened.
An expanding singularity in an empty spacetime frame.
Creating one, of course, would not prove that that created our universe, just that a Big Bang can produce a universe.
>bang to prove that it really happened.
An expanding singularity in an empty spacetime frame.
Creating one, of course, would not prove that that created our universe, just that a Big Bang can produce a universe.
turtlespeed 226
>Ok - so list the ingredients and processes needed to recreate the big
>bang to prove that it really happened.
An expanding singularity in an empty spacetime frame.
Creating one, of course, would not prove that that created our universe, just that a Big Bang can produce a universe.
What are the processes that it takes to accomplish that?
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
maadmax 0
--Observing what works for other people and putting it to use yourself. That's science right there. (Though I think that belief in a god only works if one actually believes,
Quite right, when one steps onto the spiritual playing field through faith, acquiring spiritual truth is much like the scientific method. Spiritual concepts are tested and incorporated into ones reality if they are powerful and effective or they are rejected if proven false.
Bolas 5
--Observing what works for other people and putting it to use yourself. That's science right there. (Though I think that belief in a god only works if one actually believes,
Quite right, when one steps onto the spiritual playing field through faith, acquiring spiritual truth is much like the scientific method. Spiritual concepts are tested and incorporated into ones reality if they are powerful and effective or they are rejected if proven false.
No. Part of good scientific method is impartialness and minimizing bias. Having faith negates this and pretty much nullifies any objectivity.
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
jclalor 12
Quite right, when one steps onto the spiritual playing field through faith, acquiring spiritual truth is much like the scientific method. Spiritual concepts are tested and incorporated into ones reality if they are powerful and effective or they are rejected if proven false.
Do you not find it a bit coincidental, that of all the spiritual concepts that you tested, you choose Christianity? Out of all of the many choices you have, you choose the religion that is very likely the one that you were raised with. For lack of a better word, you were indoctrinated with Christianity, and so, like the vast majority of people around the world, you have the same superstitions of your parents.
I would like to see what your life would look like if you excluded all knowledge you have acquired by using faith , but instead based every decision and action you made on
personally derivedscientifically proven facts only.And you, of course, don't need any faith to believe what the scientists are telling you is correct do you?
The facts put forth by science seem to change quite often. Which is good. But a reality based on these ever changing facts requires and ever changing faith.
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